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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I don't know what the problem understanding this list is but it's getting a bit silly... Symphonic albums on PA, not fusion or space or Kraut or anything else


 
I think it is difficult to understand the real differences between symphonic and no. I remain convinced of the idea expressed in my previous post. It is true that if we are talking about musical genre many lists here proposed are not going well. But I think that if an album that sounds symphonic...  It is Black Metal, waltz or symphonic Prog an album remain a great symphonic album. and this expesses the list proposed in this thread.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I don't know what the problem understanding this list is but it's getting a bit silly... Symphonic albums on PA, not fusion or space or Kraut or anything else



My thoughts exactly Ermm
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Originally posted by timeprog timeprog wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I don't know what the problem understanding this list is but it's getting a bit silly... Symphonic albums on PA, not fusion or space or Kraut or anything else


 
I think it is difficult to understand the real differences between symphonic and no. I remain convinced of the idea expressed in my previous post. It is true that if we are talking about musical genre many lists here proposed are not going well. But I think that if an album that sounds symphonic...  It is Black Metal, waltz or symphonic Prog an album remain a great symphonic album. and this expesses the list proposed in this thread.

But don't forget you need WELL WRITTEN REASONS for including it on your list if you want to propose the album as being symphonic.
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Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Regardless of my votes and whether or not symphonic album in PA my "TOP 10" list is this:
 
1. BIRDS OF FIRE (Mahavishnu Orchestra)
2. HOCUS POCUS: THE BEST OF FOCUS (Focus)
3. MUSIC INSPIRED BY THE SNOW GOOSE (Camel)
4. A SONG FOR ALL SEASONS (Renaissance)
5. ANTICO TEATRO DA CAMERA (Gianni D'Errico)
6. PAMPERED MENIAL (Pavlov's Dog)
7. ARGUS (Wishbone Ash)
8. BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS (Blood, Sweat & Tears)
9. FORSE LE LUCCIOLE NON SI AMANO PIù (Locanda Delle Fate)
10. A CONCERT FOR THE PEOPLE (BERLIN) (Barclay James Harvest)
 
Really? I dont know if you are familiar with the original PA ulyimate albums list, but Dan is going to take all the votes and make a list to number 1. This time around he's doing all the symphonic albums, meaning the albums listed under Symph, Neo, and Italian, IT'S NOT HARD.
 
We dont need to know your opinion on whats symphonic or not, just play by the guidlines (this goes to everyone), what is hard about it, just play by the rules. Also Dan said a list between 20 and fifty, thats not hard also.
 
 
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I'm going to give an example and create my list now including one example of how to get in a non-symphonic album by clearly expressing why it should be added.

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. Genesis - Nursery Cryme
3. Harmonium - Si On Avait Besion D'une Cinquième Saison
4. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
5. Yes - Fragile
6. Il Balletto Di Bronzo - Ys
7. Genesis - Foxtrot
8. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Darwin!
9. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
10. Solaris - Nostradamus - Book of Prophecies
11. Focus - Hamburger Concerto
12. Yes - Going for the One
13. Genesis - Wind and Wuthering
14. Genesis - A Trick of the Tail
15. Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
16. Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
17. Premiata Forneria Marconi - Storia Di Un Minuto
18. Arena - Contagion
19. Le Orme - Collage
20 Harmonium - L'Heptade
21. Magic Pie - Motions of Desire
22. echolyn - Suffocating the Bloom
23. Emerson Lake & Palmer - Emerson Lake & Palmer
24. Yes - Drama
25. Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico
26. Renaissance - Ashes are Burning
27. Yes - The Yes Album
28. Marillion - Marbles
29. Focus - Moving Waves
30. Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
31. Camel - The Snow Goose
32. Anglagard - Hybris
33. Emerson Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
34. Aprhodite's Child - 666
35. King Crimson - Lizard (I believe that this album can be legitimately be considered a symphonic album because it contains many elements of symphonic music such as music that is both lush and complex, diverse instruments, and uses very melodic song structure without losing an experimental edge. )
36. Camel - Moonmadness
37. IQ - Tales from the Lush Attic
38. Amagrama - Ciclotimia
39. Pendragon - The Masquerade Overture
40. Premiata Forneria Marconi - Passpartu
41. Transatlantic - Bridge Across Forever
42. Yes - Tales from Topographic Oceans
43. Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura
44. Genesis - Trespass
45. Bacamarte - Depois Do Fim
46. Conqueror - Principe Di Un Giorno
47. The Flower Kings - Space Revolver
48. Saecula Saeculorum - Saecula Saeculorum
49. Il Volo - Essere O Non Essere?
50. Yes - Relayer
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I'll make things easy for you Dan and follow the rules (must make a nice change for you...):

  1. Genesis- Foxtrot

  2. White Willow- Storm Season

  3. Marillion- Script for a Jesters Tear

  4. Saens- Escaping form the Hands of God

  5. Transatlantic- SMPTe

  6. Marillion- Misplaced Childhood

  7. Echolyn- Mei

  8. Genesis- Selling England by the Pound

  9. Marillion- Brave

  10. White Willow- Sacrament

  11. Saens- Prophet in a Statistical World

  12. Marillion- Fugazi

  13. The Flower Kings- Retropolis

  14. IQ- Dark Matter

  15. The Tangent- The Music that Died Alone

  16. Genesis- Trespass

  17. Wobbler- Hinterland

  18. Marillion- Clutching at Straws

  19. IQ- The Seventh House

  20. Transatlantic- Bridge Across Forever

  21. White Willow- Ignis Fatuus

  22. Marillion- Marbles

  23. Spock's Beard- V

  24. Marillion- Seasons End

  25. The Tangent- A Place in the Queue

  26. Sensitive to Light- Almost Human

  27. Steve Hackett- Voyage of the Acolyte

  28. White Willow- Signal to Noise

  29. Yes- Relayer

  30. The Flower Kings- Back in the World of Adventure

  31. Roin Stolt- The Flower King

  32. Fish- Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors

  33. Spock's Beard- Beware of Darkness

  34. Genesis- The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

  35. Fish- Sunsets on Empire

  36. Genesis- Nursery Cryme

  37. Pendragon- Believe

  38. Spock's Beard- The Kindness of Strangers

  39. Pendragon- The Jewel

  40. Fish- Fellini Days

  41. Salem Hill- Not Everybody's Gold

  42. The Flower Kings- Stardust We Are

  43. Spock's Beard- Day for Night

  44. White Willow- Ex Tenebris

  45. Collage- Safe

  46. Marillion- This Strange Engine

  47. The Tangent- The World that we Drive Through

  48. The Flower Kings- The Rainmaker

  49. Fish- Raingods with Zippo's

  50. Salem Hill- The Robbery of Murder
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I sort of miss the controversy. It kept the list off the second page.
Keep them coming, guys!
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Originally posted by timeprog timeprog wrote:

 
It is considered that more than a music genre symphonic is an adjective that expresses a certain kind of musical construction of musical sentence on compositions and that allows a certain kind of excitement to come afloat.
 
By whom?
 
Symphonic in Prog is a determined sub-genre based in a structure and an influence of what is wrongly known as Classical Music blended with Rock mainly.
 
So, in my opinion, 'Birds Of Fire' is no less  symphonic of 'Argus' or 'Close To The Edge' of 'Sped Metal Simphony' (by Cacophony). In fact change the musical genre but not the symphonics elements.
 
I see no Symphonic and a too complex structure in Birds of Fire to be considered Symphonic, their only main relation is JAZZ.
 
In conclusion if there (even in prog) symphonic genre is true that symphonic album is not only the prerogative of symphonic prog.
 
Not true, how in hell can Jazz or Psyche or  Post Rock be considered Symphonic? They represent a totally different side of the Prog spectrum, unless you're talking about an eclectic album like Jean Luc Ponty's "Aurora", but even in that case where the Symphonic structure is present, it's too Jazz oroiiented to be in any other place rather than in Fusion.
 
Welcome if you're new here.....Something I'm not sure. Wink
 
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Time is running out. Get listing people!
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im not really big into symphonic as a genre but can i list some of my favorite albums from it?
it wont be anywhere near 50 and probably not even 20 but if you'll count it ill give it a go.

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. Yes - Fragile
3. ELP - ELP
4. ELP - Trilogy
5. Yes- Relayer
6. Le Orm - Uomo Di Pezza
7. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
8. Yes - Yessongs
9. ELP - Tarkus
10. King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King (you can chose to count this or not but ive seen others list it and would tend to agree that this is very symphonic)
11. Yes -  Tales From Topographic Oceans
12. Genesis - Selling England By the Pound
13. Genesis  - Foxtrot (if only for Can Utility and about 1/3 of supper's ready)

I really dont like much symphonic prog (particulalrly neo. . . **shivers) but these ablums rank among my top all time (tho not the ones from genesis... Embarrassed)  so i  do hope you will count them.

EDITED!!! - moving SEbtP up in front of foxtrot.


Edited by keiser willhelm - April 09 2008 at 12:14
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1. PFM - Storia Di Un Minuto              

2. PFM - Per Un Amico                 

3.Spock's Beard - The Light                                 

4. Kansas - Song For America

5. Yes - Relayer              

6. Kansas - Leftoverture                   

7. Yes - Fragile

8. Yes - Close To The Edge

9. Kansas - s/t                       

10. Transatlantic - SMPTe

11. PFM - L'Isola Di Niente

12. Kansas - Point Of Know Return               

13. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery

14.The Flower Kings - The Sum Of No Evil

15. Yes - The Yes Album

16. Spock's Beard - Beware Of Darkness

See this as an experiment. These are the only symphonic albums I've been exposed to enough to make an accurate list of. And there's so much left to discover...Will save this list and compare it to the one I'll make next time Smile
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1. VDGG - Still Life (Even though the band are eclectic, this is the symphonic side to them, the organ and classical melodies prove this, especially in the title track and La Rossa)
2. Yes - The Yes Album
3. Yes - Close To The Edge
4. Camel - Mirage
5. Spock's Beard - V
6. Flower Kings - Unfold The Future
7. Camel - Moonmadness
8. Genesis - Foxtrot
9. Genesis - Lamb Lies Down
10. Pendragon - The Jewel
11. Pendragon - The Masquerade Overture
12. ELP - ELP
13. Neal Morse - Soul Scriptura
14. Tangerine Dream - Phaedra
15. Tangerine Dream - Rubycon
(Despite being Electronic, these have very strong symphonic elements, i doubt anyone will disagree)
16. Flower Kings - Sum Of No Evil
17. Spock's Beard - The Kindness of Strangers
18. Rick Wakeman - Six Wives
19. The Moody Blues - Days of Future Past
(Come on, the whole thing is practically a symphony :P)
20. Genesis - Nursery Cryme
21. Spock's Beard - The Light
22. Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
(No explanation needed here, it is, without a doubt, symphonic)
23. Pallas - Beat The Drum
24. Steve Hackett - Voyage of the Acolyte
25. Neal Morse - Testimony
26. Spock's Beard - Beware of Darkness
27. Genesis - Trespass
28. Yes - Fragile
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1. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
2. Yes - The Yes Album
3. Genesis - Foxtrot
4. Yes - Going for the One
5. Yes - Close to the Edge
6. Camel - The Snow Goose
7. Camel - Moonmadness
8. The Flower Kings - Space Revolver
9. Yes - Relayer
10. Genesis - Nursery Cryme
11. Yes - Fragile
12. Genesis - A Trick of the Tail
13. The Flower Kings - Back in the World of Adventure
14. Spock's Beard - V
15. Echolyn - As the World
16. Genesis - Wind and Wuthering
17. Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
18. The Enid - In the Region of Summer Stars
19. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
20. Echolyn - Mei
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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Temporary first 10. May be changed,  will likely get the second 10 added later.
1. Close To The Edge - Yes
2. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - ELP
3. In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson
4. Selling England By The Pound - Genesis
5. Tarkus - ELP
6. Trespass - Genesis
7. To Watch The Storms - Steve Hackett
8. Nursery Cryme - Genesis
9. Script For A Jester's Tear - Marillion
10. Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes


Big overhaul, and likely to receive another one at some point

1. Welcome Back My Friends - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
2. Close To The Edge - Yes
3. In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson
4. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
5. Selling England By The Pound - Genesis
6. Les Porches - Maneige
(Over half of it fits in with just about all the criteria on symph prog. Admittedly, the 2nd and 3rd chapters of Les Aventures (along with Chromo) don't really fit in, but the title suite has more than enough classical elements to qualify it)
7. Trespass - Genesis
8. Tarkus - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
9. Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes
10. To Watch The Storms - Steve Hackett
11. Nursery Cryme - Genesis
12. Ys - Il Balletto Di Bronzo
13. Fragile - Yes
14. Mirage - Camel
15. Foxtrot - Genesis
16. Moonmadness - Camel
17. Brain Salad Surgery - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
18. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - Genesis
19. Script For A Jester's Tear - Marillion
20. Per Un Amico - Premiata Forneria Marconi

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When will you post the results? Smile
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The due date for lists is April 20th so it should be later that week.



SERIOUSLY WE NEED MORE LISTS! GET TO IT, EVERYONE!
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^ question itsy,
when are we going to set up that 'ultimate song list'? or have i missed the boat. . .
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No that is for the summer. I am so psyched for it and hope many others are as well.
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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:


Trespass - Genesis


Yikes! Wasn't expecting another great fan from it!

Love that album!! But not Nurse ..

Don't you think Nurse is rather an incosistent album after Trespass, I really feel that even though having Musical Box. I really prefer having Genesis Live before that. (no offense) Just wanna know YOUR answer cause YOU are a Trespass fan so please others do not reply except you're a Trespass fan
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

1.The Yes Album - Yes
2.Close to the Edge - Yes
3.ELP - ELP
4.Trilogy - ELP
5.The Lamb Lies down On Broadway - Genesis
6.Tales from Topographic Oceans - Yes
7.Song for America - Kansas
8.Fragile - Yes
9.Tarkus - ELP
10.Yes - Yes
11.Moonmadness - Camel
12.Leftoverture - Kansas
13.Nursery Cryme - Genesis
14.Foxtrot - Genesis
15.Brain Salad Surgery - ELP
16.Mirage - Camel
17.Trick of the Tail - Genesis
18.Magnification - Yes
19.Keystudio - Yes
20.Snow Goose - Camel


What a bad list my God!! Let's do it again

1-The Yes Album - Yes
2-Close to the Edge - Yes
3-Trespass - Genesis
4-Selling England by the Pound - Genesis
5-Fragile - Yes
6-Mirage - Camel
7-Moonmadness - Camel
8-Foxtrot - Genesis
9-The Snow Goose - Camel
10-The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - Genesis
11-Yes - Yes
12-Tarkus - ELP
13-ELP - ELP
14-Trilogy - ELP
15-Tales..- Yes
16-Relayer - Yes
17-Rajaz - Camel
18-Going for the One - Yes
19-Drama - Yes
20-Magnification - Yes

Flower Kings will soon be here..perhaps Transatkantic too.

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