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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2007 at 18:00
I take it you REALLY don't like Barber,JJ.Tongue
 
I think he still had a couple of good years left in him.
 
In about an hour we will see how my Ravens play against a tough division rival,I can't wait for game time!!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2007 at 19:43
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I take it you REALLY don't like Barber,JJ.Tongue
 
I think he still had a couple of good years left in him.
 
In about an hour we will see how my Ravens play against a tough division rival,I can't wait for game time!!!!
 
haha...Love him, he was the offense man. And he was the best RB in Giants history IMO. Just mad at his retirement. 
And I'm doing some work right now, but last I saw McNair messed up a hand off to McGahee... Confused
 
I'm sorry if it's been mentioned but  what about Everett? I hear that he'll probably be paralyzed....Cry I know it's part of the game, but still.....horiffic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2007 at 20:16
It's a horrible injury, but at the same time a horrible reality of the game. These players have got to stop leading with their head when it comes to tackling. It's such a shame.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2007 at 22:47
OK, i'm done for the night...but I had to saw that Raven/Bengals game was AMAZING.
I was lookin foward to the cardinals one but figured I'd watch the last half.
Crazy, I loved it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2007 at 23:02
Damn Ravens!!!!!!!!!
 
Always a nail biter and always down to the last minute.....but at least they keep it interesting.
 
I was so upset during the first quarter I nearly screamed myself hoarse,the wife had to repeatedly tell me to calm down.........3 consecutive lost fumbles!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sams injured,McNair hurt,and if Lewis tore his tricep he is going to miss some games.
 
That punt return for a td by Ed Reed was pretty sweet.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2007 at 12:55
Eli is out for a month they say.
Jacobs out for 3-5 weeks
Umenyora (sp?) is injured
 
I see the G-Men wasted no time this year...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2007 at 13:08
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Damn Ravens!!!!!!!!!
 
Always a nail biter and always down to the last minute.....but at least they keep it interesting.
 
I was so upset during the first quarter I nearly screamed myself hoarse,the wife had to repeatedly tell me to calm down.........3 consecutive lost fumbles!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sams injured,McNair hurt,and if Lewis tore his tricep he is going to miss some games.
 
That punt return for a td by Ed Reed was pretty sweet.


Should have gone to OT, that pass interference call was complete bulls**t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2007 at 18:37
^ Yea felt pretty bad for Kyle Boller there.

How about that Cardinals/49ers game?   They had 2 of the worst defenses but this year!? The defense was  nasty... Both Quarterbacks were under constant pressure, there was great coverage, I saw linebackers flying through the air. It was crazy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 09:13
GREAT NEWS:

Kevin Everett might walk again after all.

The doctor who performed the spinal surgery on Everett told Buffalo TV station WIVB on Tuesday that Everett has voluntary movement of his arms and legs and as a result he is optimistic that Everett will walk again.

Dr. Andrew Cappuccino told WIVB that Everett's sedation levels were lowered on Tuesday, allowing him to respond to verbal commands. WIVB also reported that Everett's latest MRI shows only a small amount of swelling on his spinal cord.

Dr. Barth Green, chairman of the department of neurological surgery at the University of Miami school of medicine, agrees with the prognosis.

"Based on our experience, the fact that he's moving so well, so early after such a catastrophic injury means he will walk again," Green said.

"It's totally spectacular, totally unexpected," Green said.

Green said he's been consulting with doctors in Buffalo since Everett sustained a life-threatening spinal cord injury Sunday after ducking his head while tackling the Denver Broncos' Domenik Hixon during the second-half kickoff of the Bills' season opener.

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A trainer attends to Kevin Everett after he showed no signs of consciousness following a helmet-to-helmet hit on Denver's Domenik Hixon at the start of the second half.

Everett dropped face-first to the ground after his helmet hit Hixon high on the left shoulder and side of the helmet.

Asked whether Everett will have a chance to fully recover, Green said: "It's feasible, but it's not 100 percent predictable at this time. ... But it's feasible he could lead a normal life."

On Monday, Cappuccino said that Everett sustained a "catastrophic" and life-threatening spinal-cord injury and was unlikely to walk again.

"A best-case scenario is full recovery, but not likely," Cappuccino said Monday. "I believe there will be some permanent neurologic deficit."

Bills owner Ralph Wilson said the team has been in contact from the beginning with Green and the Miami Project, the university's neurological center that specializes in spinal cord injuries and paralysis.

Everett's agent, Brian Overstreet, also said Everett's mother, Patricia Dugas, told him the player moved his arms and legs when awakened from a deeply sedated sleep.

"I don't know if I would call it a miracle. I would call it a spectacular example of what people can do," Green said. "To me, it's like putting the first man on the moon or splitting the atom. We've shown that if the right treatment is given to people who have a catastrophic injury that they could walk away from it."

Green said the key was the quick action taken by Cappuccino to run an ice-cold saline solution through Everett's system that put the player in a hypothermic state. Doctors at the Miami Project have demonstrated in their laboratories that such action significantly decreases the damage to the spinal cord due to swelling and movement.

"We've been doing a protocol on humans and having similar experiences for many months now," Green said. "But this is the first time I'm aware of that the doctor was with the patient when he was injured and the hypothermia was started within minutes of the injury. We know the earlier it's started, the better."

Everett remains in intensive care and will be slowly taken off sedation and have his body temperature warmed over the next day, Green said. Doctors will also take the player off a respirator.

On Monday, Cappuccino noted the 25-year-old reserve tight end did have touch sensation throughout his body and also showed signs of movement. But he cautioned that Everett's injury was life-threatening because he was still susceptible to blood clots, infection and breathing failure.

Cappuccino repaired a break between the third and fourth vertebrae and also alleviated the pressure on the spinal cord. In reconstructing his spine, doctors made a bone graft and inserted a plate, held in by four screws, and also inserted two small rods, held in place by another four screws.

Doctors, however, weren't able to repair all the damage.

Bills punter Brian Moorman immediately feared the worst when Everett showed no signs of movement as he was placed on a backboard and, with his head and body immobilized, carefully loaded into an ambulance.

"It brought tears to my eyes," Moorman said after practice. He said the sight of Everett's motionless body brought back memories of Mike Utley, the former Detroit Lions guard, who was paralyzed below the chest after injuring his neck in a collision during a 1991 game.

Utley, Moorman recalled, at least was able to give what's become a famous "thumbs up" sign as he was taken off the field. Everett didn't.

"That's what I was waiting for, and that's what everybody else was waiting for," Moorman said. "And to have to walk back to the sideline and not see that made for a tough time."

Utley, who lives in Washington state, was saddened to see replays of Everett's collision.

"I'm sorry this young man got hurt," Utley said. "It wasn't a cheap shot. It was a great form tackle and that's it."

Cappuccino received permission to operate from Everett's mother, who spoke by phone from her home in Houston. She and other family members arrived in Buffalo on Monday. Everett was born in Port Arthur, Texas, and played high school football there.

Buffalo's 2005 third-round draft pick out of Miami, Everett missed his rookie season because of a knee injury. He spent most of last year playing special teams. He was hoping to make an impact as a receiver.

Green noted that Everett and Wilson have ties to Miami and the Miami Project -- Everett played there and Wilson is one of the project's largest donors.

"It's an amazing group of circumstances. It's a home run. It's a touchdown," Green said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 09:43

My thoughts are with Everett and I pray that he continues to recover from his injury.

Can anyone else believe that New England, with all the talent they have on that team, would stoop to cheating so blatantly?  I read a book a few months ago about the coach and his incredible work ethic and it's hard to imagine that he would condone such a stunt.  I think they should lose at least their top five picks in the next draft as punishment, if not more.  Disgraceful.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 14:10
I heard about the Everett injury, and now ESPN is saying that the outlook is optimistic that he'll walk again; that's great news right there after people were saying he may be paralyzed.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 14:14
Awesome news,I was so happy to read that this morning.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 17:02
Agreed. And what a total 180.
Yesterday they were still saying he'll probably be paralyzed, and the condition was still ife threatening. Amazing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 18:28
That frozen saline essentially acted as a huge ice pack for his spinal chord. Amazing what modern medicine can do.

Great news, indeed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2007 at 19:13
Makes me wonder, do the helmets really protect the players in a head-to-head collision? They weight a ton and reduce flexibility of the neck. Would the injury have been so bad if he did not wear a helmet? If rugby players scrummed with those helmets, the scrum would be 10x more dangerous than it already is, I really don't think those helmets are helpful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2007 at 17:36
Not really Kid A. The Helmet is there to protect against blows to the top of the head and face.  The problem is the way he hit.  Run full force for 30-40 yards then lower your head and hit a wall with the top of your head.  It compresses all the vertibrae and nerves in your neck. That is why they get injured.  Haven't seen too many Rugby players ever go that fast after a hit.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2007 at 18:31
^and it doesn't do it does it? I think the reduced flexibility makes an injury more likely on head-to head collisions. I don't see why American footballers would need a helmet and not rugby players. When there are head-to-head collisions with rugby players very rarely do such serious injuries as happen to American footballers. I seem to recall a few years ago a kick returner or someone got a paralysing injury from a head-to-head collision as well? I think the helmet's partly to blame.
 
Have you ever seen a scrum in rugby btw?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2007 at 19:31
Yes I have from the sidelines(used to have a friend who played in beer leagues) but you didn't get what I was saying. What I am saying it isn't just the blow or how hard that is it is also the fact it is happening that the players are running at at full speed almost every time this happens.  If you are standing in scrum you are pushing but not running so the force of the blow is less if you did go head to head.  Most of these type of injuries in American football happen on return teams as well because that is when everyone is flying around at full speed. How much more damage would a truck do running into a wall (to itself as well) at 5 mph vs 60 mph?  Same principle.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2007 at 05:54

^Were the players on Sunday running at full speed?

Also I may be wrong as there is a new helmet design, but the old helmet design definitely did lead to a lot of concussion hence the need for a new one. But still surely a player yanking someones helmet can lead to serious injury as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:51
It was on a kickoff return and he was injured when he lowered his head into the ball carrier.  The ball carrier was certainly running full speed.
I don't buy the helmet thing though.  Players are huge and fast now way more so than in the 60's and 70's. The full force of a 250 pound linebacker into a 210 running back at the point of attack causes a lot of concussions.  Or worse yet the same linebacker on a blitz untouched to a QB's blindside and you can see the QB's head snap forward and backward hence a concussion.  Maybe a helmet doesn't stop that but it certainly keeps the mans face intact when he hits the ground.


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