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oliverstoned
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 08:43 |
I doubt you have heard bi amp with top flight tubes in the high, complete top cables lines, power filters and vib cancelling devices. You cannot see that in any store or any show.
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 09:00 |
arcer wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
arcer wrote:
Amps no good? Why? Actually, I am genuinely interested in your thoughts on these
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Not very musical. | I don't understand - I find them very musical. Have you heard these amplifiers? I think not. Here's an extract from a review. As you'll note the emphasis is far away from "thin" and "not musical".I think you must be thinking of some other amplifiers. <p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">As I’ve written about in other reviews, my reference
amplifiers use vacuum tubes.<span style=""> </span>Further,
most of my amps are low-powered, single-ended, triode output designs ranging
from about 3.5 wpc to 13 wpc.<span style=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">My
electric shaver has more power than that</span>.<span style=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Low
powered triodes are </span>an acquired
taste.<span style=""> </span>With appropriate speakers,
however, I am regularly treated to full-range reproduction and musical beauty
that is absolutely magical.<span style=""> </span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">So, being a patron of the low-powered, tube audio arts, what
can I possibly be doing reviewing Myryad’s solid state MA240, a 120 wpc
powerhouse?<span style=""> </span>Trust me, I approach
every equipment review with an open mind and try to avoid preconceived notions
about stereotypical solid state sound, whatever that may be.<span style="">
</span>The Myryad MA240 lived up to its end of the bargain by being neutral
and natural . . . and oh, the dynamics!<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">There was an
effortlessness to the dynamic swings that caught me by surprise, in a good
way.<span style=""> </span>The dynamic impact was
closer to what I experienced while listening to live music.<span style=""> </span>No, my system doesn’t sound “live”, but hearing the
swings from soft to loud, especially with orchestral music, helped get me
closer at times.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">The MA240 exhibited a smoothness and openness in the top end
that I associate only with very good equipment, regardless of whether its
output is tube or solid state.<span style=""> </span>The
upper frequencies were not harsh or brittle.<span style="">
</span>“Touch of Trash” from Patricia Barber’s Modern Cool album (Premonition 741) showed that the MA240 could
bring the cymbal crashes and percussive strikes to life, but they never got on
my nerves or became splashy.<span style=""> </span>The
highest-highs, which may be sounds such as a gentle brush stroke on a smaller
cymbal, or a tap on a triangle, were not quite as extended or present as I
prefer, but there isn’t much musical action in that range on the majority of
commercial recordings.<span style=""> </span>These
upper-register sounds also had somewhat less natural reverberant decay than I
hear through my triode tube amps.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">As I listened through the MA240, I was struck how music seemed
to move along with urgency, presented with a buoyant, vivid feel to it.<span style="">
</span>This is a quick amplifier.<span style=""> </span>Certainly,
the excellent power supply comes into play here.<span style="">
</span>The amp does a great job letting go of one note and moving on to the
next.<span style=""> </span>Listening to Dean Peer’s Ucross
album (Restless 9101), which is a torture test for bass definition, I noticed
that the low
register was well-defined, even in the lowest of low regions.<span style="">
</span>I detected some slight blurring of the pitches from note to note when
listening at meager volume settings.<span style=""> </span>As
the volume was increased, things improved.<span style="">
</span>This was perhaps an issue of the speaker/amplifer interface not being
ideal at very low volumes.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">If my aural memory serves me correctly, the Myryad MA240 is
sonically similar to the Manley Labs Stingray integrated amp that I reviewed
in the fall of 1999.<span style=""> </span>Each of
these amps exhibits realistic clarity through the midrange and the ability to
lay out a soundstage that’s on par with any amp I’ve had in my system.<span style="">
</span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Tonally, the MA240’s balance is more light than dark.<span style="">
</span>It’s airy and well lit from about 3 kHz on up.<span style="">
</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style=""></span>The MA240 displays no harshness or forwardness in the upper mids
</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">through the treble, but that portion of the sonic spectrum is what I noticed
first in many listening sessions.<span style=""> </span>It
also happens to be where the human ear is very sensitive.<span style="">
</span>In this respect, I slightly prefer the tonal balance of my Wright WPA
3.5 amps, for example, which are wonderfully even from top to bottom.<span style="">
</span>Other amps also have a better sense of perceived depth and organic
wholeness to vocalists and solo instruments, whereas the MA240 gives the
impression of a flatter front-to-back sonic plane.<span style=""> </span>Minor quibbles, for sure, but worth mentioning, and of
course, these are the opinions of a tubeophile.</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">In listening to the MP100, I said it earlier, and I’ll
repeat it now, it proved a perfect match to the MA240.<span style="">
</span>I found its tonal balance to be quite even, but if I had to place it on
the spectrum it would be more dark than light, matching wonderfully with the
MA240 in that regard.<span style=""> </span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Please don’t misinterpret my description of the MP100 and
assume that it’s colored, because it really isn’t.<span style=""> </span>Tonally, the MP100 is robust and lively in the best sense
of the term, with good extension at the extremes, but during listening tests,
my ear was directed toward the lower-mids and mid-bass as the areas that
impressed the most, rather than the upper-mids and treble.<span style=""> </span><o:p>
</o:p>
</span>
<p ="Msonormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Remember, I’m comparing the MP100 mostly to the Monolithic
Sound PA-1, which is a passive preamp design.<span style=""> </span>The
PA-1, and virtually any passive preamp, will do less to alter a signal than
most active designs.<span style=""> </span>Once your
ear is accustomed to the lack of a sonic signature from a passive preamp, it
becomes much easier to hear any character imposed by an active preamp.<span style="">
</span>The trick is to find components that work well together, and that’s
why I constantly refer back to the admirable teamwork of the MA240 and MP100.<o:p>
</o:p>
</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"></span> |
I've already heard Myriad, it's not too bad.
It's dynamic indeed, rather neutral (a quality) but it's cold and lacks musicality. It can't compete with a good tube in the highs.
You were talking high end. A big system based on solid state amplification only and with a CD source is a joke, a waste of money, even with the best solid state and the best CD. The royal way is the bi amp with good solid state in the low and good tube in the highs.
But if you have to have only one amp in width band, it must be tube.
It's my case, but i've a subwoofer including a 200W solidstate, so it makes a pseudo-bi amplification.
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:39 |
arcer wrote:
Thanks Oliver, the players are on my audition list for when the finances, stars (and my wife's mood) are right. On the 'real' 'working' system - I have heard them and I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one!! For me the high high end will always be a triumph of hype, pseudo-science and bullsh*t over real performance. Most of time I'm just as happy listening to my little Tivoli radio! But each to his own.
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a wind of common sense is blowing through the forums...
(seriously)
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:42 |
NilsTentacles wrote:
arcer wrote:
Thanks Oliver, the players are on my audition list for when the finances, stars (and my wife's mood) are right. On the 'real' 'working' system - I have heard them and I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this one!! For me the high high end will always be a triumph of hype, pseudo-science and bullsh*t over real performance. Most of time I'm just as happy listening to my little Tivoli radio! But each to his own.
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a wind of common sense is blowing through the forums...
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Hey don't get too excited - Oliver will soon get it back on track
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 13:48 |
I'm tired of people talking about what they don't know.
I already imagine them in front of my system, with a
sheepish face: "Indeed, it works fantastic".
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:07 |
Have I had a post deleted?
...sorry...wrong thread!
Edited by Snow Dog - April 20 2007 at 14:08
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:12 |
...but on another note, can we get back on topic? We don't want people to feel intimidated to post their systems do we?
Oliver...you have your own thread for this sort of discussion, no?
Heres one..
Edited by Snow Dog - April 20 2007 at 14:19
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:18 |
Indeed - this thread has become an "Oliver bashing your system and other people defending it" thread.
Other people have valid opinions regarding hi-fi. I think a little more respect is called for.
Edited by Glueman - April 20 2007 at 17:13
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 14:28 |
At least he doesn't go on other forums and insult members of this forum/website and their reviews... Besides,Olivier's awesome and likes some of the best music out there
Edited by Zac M - April 20 2007 at 14:29
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:27 |
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:40 |
The best on the market, great analog sound!
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 05:59 |
oliverstoned wrote:
I'm tired of people talking about what they don't know. I already imagine them in front of my system, with a sheepish face: "Indeed, it works fantastic". |
Indeed, we must all bow down before the great god that is Ollie's system and, oh, before that, better prostrate yourself before Ollie's indisputable pontifications about a subject he clearly knows absolutely eveything about.
Your insufferable arrogance in this area merely confirms all my suspicions about devotees of the cult of high end - blinkered, close-minded, inflexible, contemptuous of others, self-important, conceited. Take your pick...
I'll let the comment about what I know or don't know slide and retire with as much grace as possible from a thread which, as ever, has become Oliver telling people how good he is and how they are merely laughable and ignorant.
Some people simply have no empathy. Sigh...
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:43 |
the forum memmbers listening to Ollies high-end system...
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:45 |
NilsTentacles wrote:
the forum memmbers listening to Ollies high-end system...
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.....and they all showed their appreciation, by all letting rip together with a huge fart!
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:53 |
Nice guys!
Where is he - he's like a policeman - he's never there when you want him.
Edited by Glueman - April 22 2007 at 07:55
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:22 |
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
Edited by arcer - April 22 2007 at 08:24
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:29 |
arcer wrote:
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
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I agree, I want to see what people play their music on here, whatever it is, without fear of being laughed at or made to feel inferior.
A litle gentle piss traking is fine of course.
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:29 |
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 08:32 |
Snow Dog wrote:
arcer wrote:
It's not really about bashing Ollie or his system. I really don't want to go down that route. But I do think he needs to learn a little humility, tact and decorum in his repsonses, not just to me (with me at least he didn't resort simply to posting a picture of a bin) but to others as well.
This thread and others with a similar theme shouldn't be about dominance or one person establishing himself or herself as the arbiter of all things right. It's about people sharing their opinions etc even occasionally having a reasoned argument in which opposing views are debated in a sensible, adult manner in a bid to find resolution. That's not evident here.
Oliver is obviously passionate about his hobby and that's cool but as my mother always said: if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all.
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I agree, I want to see what people play their music on here, whatever it is, without fear of being laughed at or made to feel inferior.
A litle gentle piss traking is fine of course. |
Yeah, I've seen your system Snowy - two plastic cups tied together with string with you humming By-Tor & the Snow Dog in the middle isn't exactly state of the art!
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