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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19164 |
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–Stop with WBMFTTSTNE –80s: Emerson, Lake & Powell (2 albums) –90s: Black Moon A much better look. No 3, either. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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ELP was all albout those early albums though. I like Works Vol One but 3 sides of solo music was too much for even die hard ELP fans while the later albums were confused messes excepting Black Moon perhaps. But then we get ITHS (2 steps back after 1 forward). I did think about Genesis but actually ATTWT and Duke were fine and well put together records. Later records were not so bad as their reputations excepting CAS but no one really thinks that's a Genesis record anyway. The Who were mainly a live band with one stellar studio album. The comment about Floyd is strange (WYWH and Animals???!!)
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65758 |
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^ WYWH & Animals are two great records, I think that's his point.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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^ I don't think it is as he doesn't like (or rate) Animals highly.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65758 |
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^ Yeah it's hard to tell what exactly his point is, especially since WYWH is one of the great albums of the 1970s.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2478 |
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I love THE SIX WIVES too, and awarded it a five-star review. I also greatly enjoyed one of Rick's recent releases: https://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=3052789 |
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kirk782 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 06 2024 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 239 |
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Pink Floyd still made decent work post 1974 but many other prog giants didn't. VdGG latter half of the repertoire plays it quite safe and somewhat bland. The Who actually did a farewell tour in 1982, I think, called Who's Last in support of their then LP [It's Hard was it?]. That had Eminence Front , considered by many to be the last great song by the band. Half of the band then re grouped[2 members] to make couple of more albums this side of the century and they couldn't even touch half the greatness of Who's Next. Led Zeppelin were one of the few bands to call it quits and not have a rotating cast of character for the band due to which they were canonized in rock history [despite Robert Plant himself holding his past lyricism not in any high esteem].
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18359 |
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Hi, I think THE WHO did it for the money that was being offered. Without Keith and John, they were not a very good band, and it kinda said it all ... those two added something to the band that was really good all around, and while Keith was appreciated after he left us, John has (pretty much) been ignored for his touch and taste. Honestly, for me, Pete was grossly over rated, and the most that folks remember him for is him being an idiot and doing Bonzo Dog Impressions (Legs Larry Smith taught Keith how to trash drums and such!), and kinda taking it to an extreme (Woodstock), which was not something about his musicianship or talent ... it was something about a young man that didn't care, as much about things as we did ... and trashing them was a way to say ... I'm rich, and you are not. A very good thing in those days in terms of what fame was, that is still going on today with the Internet. LZ is a different beast. RP not thinking much of his early lyrics is not surprising. I think he is tired of the accolades and everything else, and even after a drink, it starts getting monotonous and sick, so one way to let go the boredom is to say something about it, that will get any writers, or interviewers, asking different questions, and hopefully change the subject, or he is gone. The main thing, though, is that Pete and Roger look really tired and not interested or happy. At the very least, all three members left from LZ have a wider appreciation for their work, and how they went out at the top when Bonzo passed away. And they look much better at their history. THE WHO by comparison always felt like they were fighting something all the time, and it got tired after a while, even though they have some fantastic material.
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BasedProgger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2025 Location: Cyberia Status: Offline Points: 121 |
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Pink Floyd did make great albums post 1974. There was a discussion about this last year on the Steve Hoffman music forums suggesting that things would have been better for them and rumor had it all four members told their manager separately they were thinking of leaving the band. Had they broken up, we would have at least got live versions of "Shine on you Crazy Diamond" and two of the songs from Animals, and maybe The Wall could have been a Roger Waters solo album. |
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3065 |
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^ Wash your mouth out with soap. It's this kind of trolling that got to Keith in the end. The very idea that Kansas were competition, you're having a laugh!
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65758 |
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^ I agree, talk about arrogant. One wonders if the poster is even a musician. I would guess not.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3065 |
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^ I think taking the piss out of Emerson is reason enough.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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It had nothing to do with competition. ELP were already labelled 'Dinosaurs' as were many other bands in the mainstream rock press. Prog rock had thrived when there was a base of music critics who took them seriously. When that changed it was the beginning of the end. Punk Rock was a much more serious thing than you are crediting it for being and a lot of those guys were well aware of prog bands and even liked them. But too many prog artists were stuck up their own bums and were unable to change. Also plain fact of it is that ELP, Yes, Genesis, Supertramp and many more bands of the classic era were running on fumes and their glory days were in the past. Pink Floyd were always a bit late to the party but kind of adapted because they could see what was happening. ELP should have been too big to fail but history tells us otherwise. His Piano Concerto was indeed a step too far but not because it was bad but because of perception (up own arse and all that). Maybe Love Beach was an attempt to look relaxed and 'hey look at us guys we can get down with the kids etc' . It was utterly unconvincing and actually terrible in a very real way. At least with the Piano Concerto, Keith was being authentic and true to himself. Don't ever lose that or you have nothing.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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That was all based on either intertia or the ability of the bands to change and adapt at least a little. 1977 was still a good year for prog as the bands were still massive and selling out arenas, yep I know that. I mean these bands still sold loads in the 1980's making some real crap. I'm not sure what your point is? By 1980 it seemed everyone who was anyone was being interviewed in music magazines and were busy apoligising for the 'bad' albums they made with those long self indulgent suites and silly lyrics. That was the problem, the great prog revisionism had begun in 1977 and by the 1980's was stinking up the place to high heaven. I suppose with ELP and many bands it's only the legacy that really matters. Protect that at all cost or pay the price. I'm guessing that ELP sold a lot less later on. ELPowell barely cracked the top 40 in the UK but it was way better than Love Beach (not that that was hard to do)
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Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Offline Points: 3065 |
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You also forget how so-called punks still loved prog. For instance, Danny Baker, founder of 'Sniffin' Glue' remains a huge ELP fan. One point he makes lost in all the noise about ELP albums is their greatness as a live band with Emerson constantly improvising. Particularly impressive are the trio performances of Pirates after the band were forced to ditch the orchestra on the Works tour. Keep telling me Emerson was just a prog-rock keyboard player...
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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Emerson had force of personality though. That made him a bit different until Rick Wakeman came long then there was that 'fake' rivalry to keep things bubbling along. Remerber Wakeman saying 'Keith Who?' when he was asked his opinion? LMAO!!
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Lobster77 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 28 2025 Location: Politzania Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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like Fuxi said Tarkus, BSS, and Trilogy are all great but their debut is worth a listen too
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"i'm the average height for my time!!! - Napoleon Bonaparte
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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^ Neo prog I agree (although only Marillion's albums from that decade are placed high so it's a moot point) but if ELP had done Works a few years earlier it would not have been received the same backlash that happened in 1977. That and the collapse of the Works orchestral tour and the joke album Love Beach killed them, all happening when the music landscape was changing dramatically. They indeed looked out of place, out of touch and desperately short of ideas. Anyway whatever. ELP had their day, I just wished they hadn't tarnished their legacy and reputations the way they did. Works was just the natural end of things. What came after was entirely pointless and did way more damage imo.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19180 |
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The debut is my personal favorite. I find it to be the most consistent plus no silly cowboy songs.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29982 |
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ELP never get any credit for being eclectic. Other bands can do 'silly songs' (ie Caravan with Golf Girl, Genesis with More Fool Me, Gentle Giant with Dog's Life) and seemingly get away with it. Oh well.
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