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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

The internet, is NOT going to bring back "progressive" or "prog" ... more than likely the Internet will be the first to kill them as fast as possible, when something new shows up and everyone of those folks disappears and then show up with a new name and show about the new thing ... and all of a sudden, you knew right away ... that these folks did not care about the music ... they cared about their favorites and tomorrow it's a different something or other.

In all honesty, I don't want any more "prog commentators" on the toob or elsewhere ... I want folks that are honest about the music they play and hopefully they have good taste and show us a lot of things that we have not given a fair listen to ... something that shows up on PA once in a while, with a band that lasted for 10 minutes in 1972 ... and here is the album and all of a sudden everyone comments on it as if it were better than mac and cheese!

In my book, we have to get off the commercial ideas ... PERIOD ... 

^^^ This.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I can take only so much commentary. I'd rather be listening!


Yeah, me too, especially when it comes from this one guy over on PE. Wink



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Some of you folks may already know, some may not, I did a mini documentary on Triumvirat and put it on youtube in 2016.....called "The Story Of Triumvirat". My inspiration was based on them being my favorite band, and I did some research and had a friend that helped me with it....unfortunately, the video quality has blurred a bit this last year, and I don't really know why-I asked youtube to help me with that; otherwise, it is still up and running properly.....
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^ I've watched it a couple of times.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2025 at 17:09
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I've watched it a couple of times.
Hey, Greg, thank you for taking an interest. 
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/el5tT1HJzO4

Greg Lake speaking in the 90's about the future of music. It's just a short (don't have the whole video)


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I enjoyed this a lot recently. Musician Luis Nasser talking about songs on the radio he still likes and ones that he hates.




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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

I find it hilarious that people complain about this or that YouTube channel.

If you're not seeing anything on YouTube that floats your boat then the logical thing to do is to start your own channel. I challenge everyone reading this to do so!!! It's fun and we need all the Prog voices we can get on the platform!!! And anyone interested can contact me if they need any help, encouragement or advice.

I WANT MORE PROG COMMENTATORS ON YOUTUBE!!!!!!

I've been thinking about starting one for some time now Scot. I don't want it monetized though and so one of my concerns is that I'll make money that I'll have to report. I just want to do it as a hobby at least for a while. I have a lot to share though. Also, I don't know how I would record it. I would have to just use my iphone's video setting which seems weird to me. Anyway, maybe I'll send you a pm and we can discuss it further. 
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Definitely!!! PM me and we can talk it over. If an idiot like me can start a channel (and be somewhat successful at it) anyone can!!!!!!
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

The Prog Corner is really the only one I watch these days.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

I find it hilarious that people complain about this or that YouTube channel.
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I WANT MORE PROG COMMENTATORS ON YOUTUBE!!!!!!

Hi,

If you study the history of the arts, and in this case music, not many periods that were listed in the history books, lasted 50 years ... in general, by that time it was over and there was a silence, and a decade or two later, something else was there ... more or less.

The internet, is NOT going to bring back "progressive" or "prog" ... more than likely the Internet will be the first to kill them as fast as possible, when something new shows up and everyone of those folks disappears and then show up with a new name and show about the new thing ... and all of a sudden, you knew right away ... that these folks did not care about the music ... they cared about their favorites and tomorrow it's a different something or other.

In all honesty, I don't want any more "prog commentators" on the toob or elsewhere ... I want folks that are honest about the music they play and hopefully they have good taste and show us a lot of things that we have not given a fair listen to ... something that shows up on PA once in a while, with a band that lasted for 10 minutes in 1972 ... and here is the album and all of a sudden everyone comments on it as if it were better than mac and cheese!

In my book, we have to get off the commercial ideas ... PERIOD ... if we want to hear new music ... but I'm not sure that we want new music, since we are so cozy with all the commercial elements that so many bands wanted to get away from in the late 1960's and early 1970's ... but because we refuse to take a look at history and some folks still think that Neil Young is some hate, and screwed up musician because of one song ... about someone that was killed cold blood in a public university ... and it rippled across the country and shook a lot of folks ... heck, in Madison, I was working at the Rathskeller and the ROTC and the National Guard, were frisking everyone going in for their lunch or whatever ... and if had seen what they were doing in frisking the women, you would have been embarrassed and angry, specially if you knew the person ... but one lady server in The Commons (faculty dining area), was so upset with being felt up that she couldn't work, and the local newspaper ignored it all despite them having hundreds of pictures ... and two days later, cameras were confiscated to prevent more pictures. All in the name of ...??? Yeah ... right!

It's very visible here, that folks are not exactly interested in something new, unless it shows up listed in a couple of places ... and in my book, we still don't get it, and I don't think we ever will ... we will continue to follow the crowd into the same ship of fools ... and this even worried a famous judge that coined the phrase!
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Thank you for your thoughts on the subject. I cannot disagree more strenuously - but it's all good!!! I think people as they get older can get lazy with their musical explorations so my channel is dedicated to shaking off the cobwebs and turning people on to music they may not have otherwise listened to. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing...
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^ Wow! Greg Lake is right on the money.
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

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I think people as they get older can get lazy with their musical explorations so my channel is dedicated to shaking off the cobwebs and turning people on to music they may not have otherwise listened to. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing...

HI,

Strange idea for me ... at 74. And I have been at this thing about shaking the cobwebs out of people that are stuck in the top this and that, and ... sometimes, really ... show sad tastes in terms of new music and new experiments, though I have come to think that some lists have a few different things so they won't look so out of touch with the new stuff.

Listening to new materials is only a "bad thing", when the folks that ignore it, are the ones that are living the commercial life of the music, not the folks that are adding new materials ... but the Internet, for all its good, has an issue that is sad ... people joining the bus for something or other, and it appearing to be something major, when it isn't. The appearance of an illusion, makes it look like that the new things, and the different things are a freak and ... don't fit the top 5, so to speak.

It's hard not saying something about it ... I've been a part of new materials for 50+ years ... and I have never wavered, and the majority of folks here, for example, don't like it, and then they get upset when one of their cheap heroes is not kissed promptly! And the "appearance" that some of these folks put on is the worst ... rich folks, actually showing off their grand illusion that they are better than anyone else ... and some folks fall for it, and buy it!

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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I do find complaining so defeatist and misguided commonly (quite often comes with very dubious assumptions about what others think and feel, how they operate). If one doesn't like what others are doing, or one has a better way (at better for your own purposes and wants), consider doing something the way you would like it done instead of complaining about others doing it another way or "doing it "wrong" as you see it. And if it's not at all for you, maybe focus on things that one does appreciate. Negativity brings everyone down. I like to hear about what people appreciate commonly, even if I don't share the same appreciation.

I still plan to make videos/podcasts, but I really doubt that people will find them interesting or entertaining. That's fine; want to do it for myself. I guess I should just do it, and then I can get some better equipment if I am happy with the early results. :) After my 2010 poll, I will make that my next hobby project. :)

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^ That’s the spirit! You can’t please everyone. Do it for yourself! Plant your own flag. You’ll never know what will happen unless you give it a whirl.
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"I do find complaining so defeatist and misguided commonly (quite often comes with very dubious assumptions about what others think and feel, how they operate). If one doesn't like what others are doing, or one has a better way (at better for your own purposes and wants), consider doing something the way you would like it done instead of complaining about others doing it another way or "doing it "wrong" as you see it. And if it's not at all for you, maybe focus on things that one does appreciate. Negativity brings everyone down. I like to hear about what people appreciate commonly, even if I don't share the same appreciation.

I still plan to make videos/podcasts, but I really doubt that people will find them interesting or entertaining. That's fine; want to do it for myself. I guess I should just do it, and then I can get some better equipment if I am happy with the early results. :) After my 2010 poll, I will make that my next hobby project. :)"

Definitely recommend doing it! Especially if you're starting it out of your own self-passion and as a hobby. You'll find yourself having fun with it, experimenting with new things and trying stuff out you may not have thought of before. And who knows, eventually you may have an audience and your community begins :)
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Originally posted by HeyItsJustJP HeyItsJustJP wrote:

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Definitely recommend doing it! Especially if you're starting it out of your own self-passion and as a hobby. You'll find yourself having fun with it, experimenting with new things and trying stuff out you may not have thought of before. And who knows, eventually you may have an audience and your community begins :)

Hi,

As do I. 

However, when I did my show some 20+ years ago, it was not a show about the ... anything ... except that I dedicated a show to specific bands for a couple of hours at least ... and it got a very good response, specially from the folks in the band themselves, which surprised me. 

I concentrated on the "history", so to speak, of their work, and playing many for 2 hours plus was a really good thing, specially as I had a listenership that had really long stays, in a setup (Real Audio license) that allowed 25 feeds, and since it could be played back anytime, it still averaged a listenership of over 20 minutes for many folks.

I never had to worry about responses, because what I did was not a "show" ... as you folks would consider it ... it was more of an afternoon/evening with ... such and such.

I lost, for some reason, the listings, and website information for that show ... which was sad, but as I did not have a live situation, or a mixer, I put things together into a cassette and then transferred them to the RA setup and then we uploaded it to the OpenBSD server that we had for the show, a computer of mine setup specially for it.

The only sad thing is that the new owner of the place, was not very nice and then asked us to take it down, as we were stealing "precious bandwidth", as he stated. When considering that he was a major ____ and went on to steal many items from our ISP before their company fell apart (AT&T offshoot buying ISP's to be able to pick up all the cable users for internet service ... they went bankrupt, or sold out).

I've often considered doing it again, as things are very different these days, and I have the materials to get it done, but not sure I feel ok doing it again ... if I have something else, different, I might do it ... but the thing about the artist getting his/her moment for an hour or two, is something I love dearly, but not sure I would do it again ... however, no one ever complained about what I did!

It was called "The Space".
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It could be interesting to do a show on indie Prog artists. House of Prog Radio is doing a good job with some of that, and I know some folks on here have their own shows (like Nickie’s Niches, Sound of Prog, etc.)and blogs and such. Really nice ones too. As independent radio stations are being swallowed up into the corporate Borg, I imagine there are niches opening up for more of these kinds of independent shows. Rick Beato and major Prog sites are doing a good job with the heavyweights, but the future of music also depends on struggling new artists, and that’s where there seems to be more of a vacuum. Underground artists.

I think a list of sites (blogs, podcasts, radio shows, etc) by independent hosts maybe could use an update? Or, maybe I just have trouble finding things with my bad eyesight.
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For me, I would not only want to focus on Prog per se (I actually dislike that term), but cover a range of progressive, experimental and art music including lots if Indie and alternative music. Folk, electronica, rock, jazz, art music... I'd want to cover bigger names and small names. My brother started a music festival, but he also had a music label as a sideline (his job was as a mediator, but also was a musician and had lots of musician friends. He introduced me to Sarah McLaughlin. Sadly, we don't get along at all and so I'd have to do this stuff on my own even though he would have been a good collaborator, at least if he was not a control freak).

I already have started on researching some acts where I hope to do little specials on them covering the history, something about related acts or movements, as well as talking about my favourite music by them. I want my first one to be on Portishead and related. Of course they need no help from me. I might call it "A deep dive into the Portispotty".

Whatever I cover I want it to about music that brings me joy and I hope that joy comes through, but also irreverence. And hopefully someone likes my humour (if one can call something not funny humour). My favourite podacasts have had humour as an element. I want it to be researched but also feel unscripted. I am very good at delivering eulogies, and was a teacher and before that a cocktail bartender, and I think that experience might help. I'll just pretend that the camera is a bunch of people attending a funeral service, weird as it sounds. Maybe I will call the videocast/ podcast "Welcome To My Funeral: Music To Die For". Okay, think I have my shtick now. On second thought, I hate that idea. Gonna leave it to others to do such things, I think many at the forum would be great at it (Psych Paul would be an obvious one I think to do Vlogs and the like).

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Interesting music. I get it. My net is very wide regarding the Prog term. I think you should do it. It can work if you have depth of knowledge about it and/or you can keep the audience interested. It sounds like you’d be good at it. Some shows have two people who bounce ideas off each other as a conversation, whereas one person can be fine too. There are those annoying shows where people pretend they are hearing a well-known song for the first time and react to it, as if they either just fell off the turnip truck or landed here from outer space like the coneheads or Mork or that annoying puppet Alph … or is it Alf? Anyone, don’t to that. If someone did do Indie Prog, you could actually react to it because most of the songs from most of the bands listed on this site have never been heard. Probably the person who has heard the most might be Psych. Paul judging by all his lists, and I mean that as a compliment. He’d be a good person to have on there. It could be a lot of fun, but also some work and effort too.

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