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The most successful modern prog music nation? |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12387 |
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That is part of the discussion points for this topic. What does it mean to be successful? How do you measure success?
In Norway's defense, there is a variety of prog that does come from there, not just retro prog. Though the retro is the most popular on a prog scale. |
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LAM-SGC ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 26 2018 Location: se Status: Offline Points: 1550 |
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Favourite: UK, Norway, Germany
Best: Norway, UK Successful: No idea, I don't study gig ticket and music sales. |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12412 |
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-Anyway, I think it needs to be a bit of both. A "successful modern prog nation" should to be profilic, vibrant and of course diverse. For every "Wobbler-band" there's at least twice as many experimental and forward thinking "Rune Grammofon" kinds of bands and projects etc... But of course, they are less "successful", so fewer people knows about them. I listen to them though (Wobbler, not so much. Although I fully respect them for working within an established tradition - and doing it well).
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Offline Points: 3079 |
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^And that's honestly the first track you've posted that actually is "modern" in terms of prog, at least to my ears (love that album). That's not a comment on my opinion of the quality. But I think Grumpy brought up the true dichotomy of how we're discussing this. Are we talking the NUMBER of groups/artists and releases, or are we talking about acts that are actually treading new (or at least somewhat new) ground?
It's certainly true that Norway (and Sweden) has many current groups that are making all different kinds of music. But it does seem like a significant portion of it is in the symph vein with varying degrees of retro prog flavors. To my knowledge, many more bands from the US (and Japan, Canada) are producing fresh, new material that rivals that of Norway. And ALL of them are blowing the UK out of the water in terms of innovation (as opposed to quantity, black midi notwithstanding). Indeed, most of what you have posted helps make that point. And once again, this is to say nothing of the quality of the music. That is entirely subjective. And I enjoyed much of what you posted, to be fair.
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Chiyo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 08 2024 Location: Proggyland Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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Maybe I will be more convincing with this official video from Big Big Train, released a month ago, featuring the song "Oblivion," which is taken from their upcoming album “The Likes of Us," out March 1st, 2024. It has a healthy 138,589 views at this very moment.
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In my book, the main criteria for being "successful" is to be appreciated.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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^ by whom?
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45622 |
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^ My point is that there's different groups of listeners, at the most basic level fans and critics (reviewers). It's highly subjective to say which one should appreciate the band, and some artists will (rightfully IMHO) outright refuse the idea that their success is based on appreciation.
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Kalugin is a very prolific and well-appreciated musician, both as a solo artist and as the leader of the recognised bands Karfagen, Hoggwash, and Sunchild. Kscope's band, Iamthemorning, made, within the progressive music standards of the second decade of the 21st century, a significant breakthrough in terms of popularity. Also, Iamthemorning composer and keyboard player Gleb Kolyadin released a few well-regarded solo albums with guests like Steve Hogarth, Theo Travis, Gavin Harrison, and so on.
Both acts, Antony Kalugin and his bands and Iamthemorning, are quite modern and original, which is not so often the case in the subgenres in which they work, as the former is symphonic prog and the latter is chamber music-like crossover prog. |
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Is the UK just a footnote now? In terms of prog artists they may not be the most numerous but they are certainly the best known and exposed. Consider that Marillion, Porcupine Tree, solo Steven Wilson, IQ et al have had albums out that made various charts in Europe and abroad over the last 20+ years. Recall that the OP's question asks for the most successful.
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One of my favourite Italian progressive albums released in the last few years is LogoS' "Sadako e le mille gru di carta" (2020), which is an ambitious concept album about Sadako Sasaki, a girl from Hiroshima who, as a two-year-old child, survived a nuclear explosion two miles away from her home. I would also point out 2020's "Il Velo dei Riflessi" by Quel Che Disse Il Tuono, a Milanese band that was founded in 2019. It's also a concept album that, via the use of the metaphor of mirrors, delves into topics like the repulsion of one's own personality and latent insanity in humans; each of these subjects is represented by one of the four mirrors and correlates to the first four songs on the album.
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With this arbitrary criteria of "modern prog", I will just go with the first quarter of the current century. "Success" is a rather nebulous term as well. Is it pure album sales, critical acclaim,etc? I am fairly certain that in terms of pure quantity in the broadest sense of "prog" the US And UK probably outnumber other countries. But with a few exceptions, most of what the US and UK have put out has gotten pretty stale, or even downright bad. Especially in regard to bands that have been around since the classic era.
When it comes to the subset of prog styles I enjoy, the bands are coming mainly from Norway, Sweden, France, Germany and Japan. If I go through my Last.fm it appears to be Sweden, but using scrobble data is limited to counting tracks rather than listening time. France has probably made me say "wow" the most in the last 5 years. Edited by Tapfret - January 10 2024 at 09:15 |
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'Modern' is impossible to pin down. I mean there is so much music is just so last year. It's almost an 'Oxymoron' for prog fans to talk about what is modern or not. Would make a nice Monty Python sketch I imagine.
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As a well-appreciated band, I'd like to mention TesseracT. Formed in Buckinghamshire, England, in 2003, TesseracT is credited as one of the bands to pioneer the djent strand in the progressive metal genre. The group is well known for its intricate compositions and unusual time signatures. Playing progressive music that straddles the line between metal and djent, TesseracT conjures up strong cerebral imagery and sounds like progressive music of the future—at least for the younger generation of today.
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