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Steve Reich is "huge" to me (Philip Glass the minimal music version for the masses...), as is John Cage (not sure he got mentioned yet in this thread).
Another American composer that deserves mention would be Scott Joplin, I guess (I love his Treemonisha opera, but I'm much less into ragtime...).

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


The only Elgar I have is Ken Russell's ... and what an excellent film that is.


 Not seen the film. My one not very interesting fact about Elgar is that he composed the world's first football chant (for his club Wolverhampton Wanderers). The world really needed that!

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


As for Holst, I stick to Tomita.


I love that album as well although the violence of Mars is still best represented by an orchestra (or ELP's 1986 version) imo


Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:



Dvorak, I remember mostly from the wonderful short in "Allegro Non Troppo", a wonderful Italian cartoon that was kinda making fun of "Fantasia", but it's material was more for us, grown-ups" than it was for the "kids" as "Fantasia" was, although I think that WD probably wanted to work the music more than the film showed with its references to the appreciation of classical music, which, from a child perspective is ... kinda silly ... you watch it for the fun and the smiles, not the music, although some of us will end up remembering it. I never forgot Dukas and Stravinsky after "Fantasia". BUT, I was 15 when I first saw it, and was familiar with the music at home from the large classical library of music dad had (over 2K LP's at the time).

All in all, I wish that America respected its composers a lot more ... but in 500 short years, we don't really have any "huge" composers ... like so many European countries. 

Of course Dvorak was not American but moved there and spent time teaching there, and at that time he composed Symphony For The New World.

I was going to mention Copeland but I only know him via ELP's Fanfare For The Common Man. To be fair America has a rich blues and jazz legacy which Europe never really had and also the best composers of musicals with the likes of Sondheim, Gershwin, Leiber, Stoller etc, perhaps not to be sniffed at!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2023 at 10:24
Anton Bruckner
Ernst von Dohnanyi
Erich Korngold
Bohuslav Martinu
Franz Schubert
Jean Sibelius
Heitor Villa-Lobos
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Anton Bruckner
Ernst von Dohnanyi
Erich Korngold
Bohuslav Martinu
Franz Schubert
Jean Sibelius
Heitor Villa-Lobos

A few original choices in this small selection of favorites. Never heard of the first one, only know the second by name and ashamed to say that I've never investigated Martinů beyond  the one album I got by Bohuslav Martinů featuring Polní mše (Field Mass) - which absolutely floored me. It's had me in tears and I might not have listened to it in a decade. Maybe that's why. 

Dumb comparison, but I'll say it anyway. The young Peter Hammill always struck me as a late romantic era sort of artist who just happened to reach his twenties in the early 1970's. Grand, deep, existential, full of  weltschmerz and pure emotion. Martinů, who was a self taught composer didn't really fit among the modernists  a few decades earlier (yet his music makes perfect sense for 1939), and I think they are somewhat connected/related with their out of time musical creations.

I listen to this much like I listen to A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers*:


*and I listen to Pawn Hearts... like I listen to the last works of Mahler, Brahms, Strauss...
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I've always seemed to liked the Russian late romantic composers and American early modern classical composers - Tchaikovsky and Risky-Korsokov come to mind for the former and Gershwin for the most part for the latter. I also just recently started discovering Debussy's work and I like it, too.

I've always seemed to liked the Russian late romantic composers and American early modern classical composers - Tchaikovsky and Risky-Korsokov come to mind for the former and Gershwin for the most part for the latter. I also just recently started discovering (French) Debussy's work and I like it, too.

If by classical you mean the Classical era, then hands down Bach.

If cinematic music counts as classical, at the age of 4 y/o I received a copy of Kingdom Hearts for the PS2, my first video game, and I was sucked into the franchise at a young age - needless to say, I was always, even to this date, a fan of the soundtrack for this series (I stopped playing the games themselves at like 16 y/o - I'd rather play the Witcher franchise, or other more mature games nowadays), but it's largely just nostalgia at play here (perhaps?). I've dived into the portfolio of Yoko Shimomura, the Japanese composer of the franchise, and honestly I'm impressed - she incorporates a lot of impressionism into her work, which contrasts the romanticism that is heavily associated with cinematic music quite well, and makes it feel more "classical," by nature. Another great "cinematic" composer I think is Sweden's Johan Söderqvist, who did Battlefield 1's soundtrack (which is like the most cinematic shooter game ever made, imo), although he's not reall "classical" per se, just good at composing a cinematic score.


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Originally posted by bardberic bardberic wrote:

If by classical you mean the Classical era, then hands down Bach.
Bach is Baroque era. But this isn't about "eras" as such, but classical music. So i guess you can just name the ones you feel fit. I'm not gonna say anyone or any composer is wrong.
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 I should be so lucky to find a classical variation of a Kylie Minogue classic. Smile

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Strictly speaking, classical music is music of the classicist era (circa 1750 to 1820), but in the sense that the term is normally used, there's a lot to choose from. I'm very impressed by these, for various reasons:

Johann Sebastian Bach (baroque)
Ludwig van Beethoven (late classicism, early romanticism)
Alban Berg (20. Century)
Hector Berlioz (romanticism)
John Cage (post-1945)
Pelle Gudmundsen-Holmgreen (post-1945)
Charles Ives (early 20. Century)
Francesco Landini (Italian trecento - 1300-years)
Peter Lange-Müller (late romanticism, early 20. Century)
György Ligeti (post-1945)
Claudio Monteverdi (late renaissance, early baroque)
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (classicism)
Carl Nielsen (early 20. Century)
Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina (renaissance)
Maurice Ravel (impressionism)
Camille Saint-Saëns (romanticism)
Franz Schubert (early romanticism)
Dmitry Shostakovich (20. Century)
Arnold Schönberg (20. Century)
Richard Wagner (romanticism)
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Strictly speaking, classical music is music of the classicist era (circa 1750 to 1820), but in the sense that the term is normally used, there's a lot to choose from.
No. It basically means: Western art music from the Middle Ages to the present. Classical Music and Classical era doesn't mean the same thing. 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Strictly speaking, classical music is music of the classicist era (circa 1750 to 1820), but in the sense that the term is normally used, there's a lot to choose from.
No. It basically means: Western art music from the Middle Ages to the present. Classical Music and Classical era doesn't mean the same thing. 


This is how the term is most commonly used, anyway. However, I remember watching a TV production with Leonard Bernstein where he discusses this topic, and he, too, claimed that strictly speaking classical music refers to European classical era music, but that in daily speech it means Western art music from the Middle Ages to the present - in lack of a better term.

The Danish National Encyclopedia (edition from 1998) writes as follows:

Classical Music: term which is used in several, not always clearly defined meanings. Most commonly, the term is used for music that can not be categorized as jazz, folk music, rock, world music [I really don't like that term] and pop, and it is often used with the understood value meaning of art music. In this sense, classical music refers to all Western music from early Gregorian chant to contemporary compositional music, i.e. music which, to some extent, has a common historic background.

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Classical Music is also used as a term for compositional music between circa 1750 and 1810, that is, the period which is also referred to as that of Viennese Classicism, and whose main composers are Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven.

[skipped section]

Finally, the term Classical Music is used for something exemplary and cohesive. In this meaning, it is often used in different clarifying contexts, like for instance Classical Indian Music or Classical Chinese Music.

So I guess we are both right.


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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

So I guess we are both right.
Not really as Classical Music has the broad definition I just gave you. Not just in daily speech. Baroque Music is Classical Music. All encyclopedias, Wikipedia, Classical Archives... will state the same. It's also the name of a specific period (you think I didn't know that?), but that doesn't make "strictly speaking, classical music is music of the classicist era" correct. Because strictly speaking, it isn't.
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^ Pfff... Really? In Dutch we would call this "f**king ants", i.e. nitpicking.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Pfff... Really? In Dutch we would call this "f**king ants", i.e. nitpicking.
Fine. Whether Classical Music can describe many hundred years of music (which is does) or only a short period - is typically sometihing I care about enough to nitpick. I actually care a lot about such things so I guess you wouldn't enjoy my company (and I dislike being told that I got something wrong - when I'm right).
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^ I guess you forgot to read the first sentence of Anders reply. You're both right. Live with it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2023 at 14:31
Saperlipopette: I wasn't trying to tell anyone they got it wrong. It was just the lesson I grew up with from home, so I just wrote from that. That's all really. Please don't take my words personally.


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^^ Ah jeez no. Some more nitpicking: Anders was wrong in stating that "Strictly speaking, classical music is music of the classicist era (circa 1750 to 1820)". Because it's only one era among many in the history of western classical music, and is still not correct. So why should I pretend it is?

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Saperlipopette: I wasn't trying to tell anyone they got it wrong. It was just the lesson I grew up with from home, so I just wrote from that. That's all really. Please don't take my words personally.
I don't. I'm just a nitpicker.


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In the Turkish Language, the "classical music" thing is even more complicated.

The word classical does not correspond to anything in Turkish. We call it, "klasik müzik", which literally means classic music. So, Western Classical Music corresponds to Klasik Batı Müziği. I never accepted this. Cause, it basically means, "Classic Western Music". So, I always say "Batı Klasik Müziği". Perhaps a word like "klasikal" should be invented for precision. "Klasikal Batı Müziği" would be perfect.
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My language is one of those in which aside from "Classical Music", there's also the synonymous term "Serious Music". B)
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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

In the Turkish Language, the "classical music" thing is even more complicated.

The word classical does not correspond to anything in Turkish. We call it, "klasik müzik", which literally means classic music. So, Western Classical Music corresponds to Klasik Batı Müziği. I never accepted this. Cause, it basically means, "Classic Western Music". So, I always say "Batı Klasik Müziği". Perhaps a word like "klasikal" should be invented for precision. "Klasikal Batı Müziği" would be perfect.
We got the same in my own language. I don't mind this really. In the time when Classical was first used to describe a certain tradition, the world was "smaller", and we knew - and perhaps cared less about each others traditions. Any full article in regards to the term, these kinds of compilcations will not go unmentioned - and inform us that there's also Classical Chinese Opera, Classical Indian Music etc... There's also the Classical Age of Ancient Greece.
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