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Is Yes really Yes anymore?

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Poll Question: Do you consider the current lineup of Yes to really be Yes?
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

I checked 'I Don't Know'.   I saw Yes in Las Vegas around 2017 (a week after attending the 'Psycho Las Vegas' festival, and seeing the most incredible Magma performance on the same stage at the Hard Rock Cafe).

It was a decent concert; they went thru tunes from all the past albums.  I thought Howe took the reins nicely, and I don't mind the singer.   Still, it wasn't nearly the same as past Yes concerts.  Would be nice if Wakeman and Anderson could have just been there.  Plus, poor White looked terrible, could barely play and had to leave the stage a couple times to be replaced.  

The "openers" at this concert were at least just as good (though they got less time on stage).  Carl Palmer was amazing, and Todd Rundgren was cool to watch on stage with his dancing ladies, even though he didn't play anything really 'proggy'.

I've posted about this before, but I also saw them in 2017. In Reno, NV actually, on a whim while I was visiting my grandma, so we probably saw them within a few days of each other! I wasn't too impressed. Howe could barely play Yours is No Disgrace even while they dragged. I saw ARW the next year at The Greek Theatre in LA, and it was MUCH more fun.


I think a friend of mine went to the Reno concert that year, and said it was so-so. I think they did better in Vegas.
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This clone band of Yes should change their name .... to "No"

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2021 at 14:41
So do those on here who think the current Yes is not really Yes think that ARW is the real Yes or more Yes? 

I think most on here are saying Yes isn't Yes anymore because Chris Squire isn't in the band and not so much because Jon Anderson isn't. Am I right? 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So do those on here who think the current Yes is not really Yes think that ARW is the real Yes or more Yes? 

I think most on here are saying Yes isn't Yes anymore because Chris Squire isn't in the band and not so much because Jon Anderson isn't. Am I right? 

Well in a sense it's because Chris Squire is gone, but it's more because with him gone and with Alan White barely there that just leaves Steve Howe as someone in the band who makes sense to me as a band member. It's about having the right combination of players.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2021 at 16:41
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Just another rock tribute band, limping along with a single founding member. 

The Foghat of prog. 


There are no founding members in Yes now.

Thanks, well said!  Maybe they will surprise us and churn out a decent LP, but I rather doubt it.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Where is the poll choice for "maybe"? Confused


Wouldn’t “I don’t know “ cover that?
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Where is the poll choice for "maybe"? Confused


Or should it be "meh"-be?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2021 at 07:14
The question is when is a band no longer a band? I'm sure there are some others bands knocking around with no original members, does that mean they're not the band? Is a band name just a franchise?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2021 at 07:35
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

The question is when is a band no longer a band? I'm sure there are some others bands knocking around with no original members, does that mean they're not the band? Is a band name just a franchise?
An excellent question. For me, generally, a band is still a band when one or two key members are original, especially with one creative member like Ian Anderson. But that falls apart for me, regarding Tull, with the exclusion of Martin Barre recently. So, I don't know. Confused
 
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So how would you classify Renaissance?
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Should Yes change the band name to No?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 00:45
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Should Yes change the band name to No?

they should change their name to "Maybe We're Yes, Maybe We're not" and do a post rock album. Evil Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Should Yes change the band name to No?

they should change their name to "Maybe We're Yes, Maybe We're not" and do a post rock album. Evil Smile

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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

So how would you classify Renaissance?

As long as Annie Haslam sings for them, I'd classify them as "amazing!"
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A band is always the sum of its parts.  The only 'classic band' that has not cashed in on it's name, nor recycled it for commercial reasons is Henry Cow.  Apart from the 'reunion' to celebrate the music of Lindsay Cooper in 2014 for three concerts, they last performed and recorded in 1978.  A harsh truth is this:  Yes stopped being Yes after 'Tormato', Genesis stopped being Genesis after '..and then there were three', Floyd stopped being Floyd after 'The Wall', ELP after 'Love Beach' etc. etc.  I have seen all these bands subsequently a few times over but what am I going for?  To see them perform their old material - from their creative heydays...
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Why not just stick with the name where all of the wannabes go, you know the ones that try to prove themselves over and over by capitalizing on band names from the past?  That way we could always know they are trash before they embarrass themselves by making us listen to them under a name they don't deserve.  

Maybe we could call it something corny like Arc of Life .  Oh wait a minute........

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I said no because I don't like to see bands out there that are made up mostly or even entirely of replacements for the originals. Just doesn't feel the same. I get why they do it and I'm not saying they still couldn't make some good music or give a good concert but I'd want to see the originals. 
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Yes isn't Yes without Peter Banks Tongue

There are bands where the original members matter a lot, but Yes is not like that. The truth is that they have always evolved, including the line-up. The original line-up only made two albums, and most fans don't even think those are the band's best.

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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

A band is always the sum of its parts.  The only 'classic band' that has not cashed in on it's name, nor recycled it for commercial reasons is Henry Cow.  Apart from the 'reunion' to celebrate the music of Lindsay Cooper in 2014 for three concerts, they last performed and recorded in 1978.  A harsh truth is this:  Yes stopped being Yes after 'Tormato', Genesis stopped being Genesis after '..and then there were three', Floyd stopped being Floyd after 'The Wall', ELP after 'Love Beach' etc. etc.  I have seen all these bands subsequently a few times over but what am I going for?  To see them perform their old material - from their creative heydays...

Why do you say Genesis stopped being Genesis after ATTWT? Why not when Peter left? Or why not when Hackett left? You've included ATTWT but not Duke despite the fact there were no lineup changes between those two albums, just a change in style and popularity. Does that affect whether or not a band is still a band to you?
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

A band is always the sum of its parts.  The only 'classic band' that has not cashed in on it's name, nor recycled it for commercial reasons is Henry Cow.  Apart from the 'reunion' to celebrate the music of Lindsay Cooper in 2014 for three concerts, they last performed and recorded in 1978.  A harsh truth is this:  Yes stopped being Yes after 'Tormato', Genesis stopped being Genesis after '..and then there were three', Floyd stopped being Floyd after 'The Wall', ELP after 'Love Beach' etc. etc.  I have seen all these bands subsequently a few times over but what am I going for?  To see them perform their old material - from their creative heydays...

Why do you say Genesis stopped being Genesis after ATTWT? Why not when Peter left? Or why not when Hackett left? You've included ATTWT but not Duke despite the fact there were no lineup changes between those two albums, just a change in style and popularity. Does that affect whether or not a band is still a band to you?


Some "fans" just won't allow bands to change.

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