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I prophesy disaster 
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Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4912 |
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I had also been visiting this site for a long time before I actually joined. I don't recall exactly when I first started visiting but I guess it was about ten years ago. Prior to joining, most of my time on this site was spent looking at reviews. Sometimes I would look at the forum, usually as a result of a search, but this was quite rare. It was actually to add my 2 cents worth to a discussion about King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard that led me to become a member. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43017 |
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Posted: November 17 2019 at 09:51 |
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Before I became a member here, I used this site mainly for collecting album covers and for reading band info for music I'd discovered on YouTube. It's been a real education. Not only did I discover new bands here, I discovered new prog genres too that I never knew existed before, such as Eclectic Prog, Crossover Prog & Proto-Prog.
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M27Barney
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Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Posted: November 17 2019 at 11:56 |
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Well...I hope he paid up for said love-child...I would have called her bluff, I may not be Ron Jeremy but I am probably big enough for a supporting role in a special interest DVD...you know, model railway enthusiast tinkering in the background whilst my wife is serviced by Remington Steel or whoever.... |
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17959 |
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Posted: November 17 2019 at 13:02 |
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Phones had rotary dials and cords, took you 2 minutes to "dial" a number......back then
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Psychedelic Paul
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Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43017 |
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Posted: November 17 2019 at 13:56 |
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My phone still does have a rotary dial and a cord. I've never owned a mobile phone.
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Mudpuppy64
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Joined: November 07 2018 Location: BC Canada Status: Offline Points: 222 |
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Posted: November 17 2019 at 21:35 |
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In the beginning there was nothing , Then God said let there be light ,And there was still nothing ....But at least you could see it ..- Billy Connolly
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29285 |
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Posted: November 17 2019 at 23:30 |
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Good to know and thanks for the update
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Gerinski
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Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 01:59 |
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Does anybody know what happened to Dean?
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 02:22 |
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He got old
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moshkito
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Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18005 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 02:32 |
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Hi,
I'm not sure that it is too far different than it used to be ... you still got folks posting stuff that about some bands, that have nothing to do with "progressive" music, I end up figuring that they probably do not know or understand what "progressive" stands for, and why it is here ... but then, we got a situation that it still deals with things as a top ten song ... and when "progressive" started way back when, NONE OF IT was a hit, or a top ten anything, until one day ... the dam broke ... and now we have a bunch of "fans" that like everything under the sun, called "progressive-thisorthat" ... and so much of it is not even in the spirit of the first bands ... and some of the things that helped it come alive ... like a FREE FORM FM radio in America for several years until it was all bought out by corporate interests by the end of the 1970's ... and it is really difficult to explain this to folks here if you were not there and did not hear it ... there is no "free form" radio anymore, and when you hear things on the internet, or the like, the goddamned things are still shaped and played like it was the old AM radio ... three songs about the teacher ... talk ... 2 songs ... talk ... one longer song ... talk ... back to familiar top ten song (can't lose the audience!!!! -- the biggest bunch of bullsh*t ever said and created!) ... because things were getting too far out! All in all, I like PA ... I just don't see Admins that have an interest in helping "Progressive Music" improve and get a better rap out there, SPECIALLY BY NEW FANS ... Not sure what the answer is, but improving the backbone so that WIKI is not the listing that PA is not willing, or capable of improving on so the fans have one site to look at things ... not that other place. And yeah, even though Dean and I disagreed some, he was, by far one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable persons I have ever heard. I do think that he is missed some ... but I wonder if his patience wore off, or down, and as old as we are getting, any more stress is not needed but I have a feeling he was more into his music than this place ... and that is an honorable reason!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 02:53 |
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déjà vu
I never saw it as our role (as Admins or otherwise) to actively promote anything. I generally take the word "Archive" at its literal meaning and during my time as an Admin I went out of my way to stress that this was a user-driven site that stood or fell on the strength of those who contributed to it, not those who owned (aka landlorded), administered or managed it.
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Gerinski
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Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 03:21 |
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Good to hear from you Dean!
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chopper
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 05:24 |
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[QUOTE=moshkito]Hi,
All in all, I like PA ... I just don't see Admins that have an interest in helping "Progressive Music" improve and get a better rap out there, SPECIALLY BY NEW FANS ... /QUOTE]
Change the record.
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 05:44 |
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Mosh is the old cricketer who won't leave the crease.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21246 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 05:53 |
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The same old garbage.
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Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
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progaardvark
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52477 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 06:13 |
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Like many, a lurker for a few years, joined in 2007, wrote over 200 reviews for a couple years, then lurked some more. I never really spent too much time on the forums until recent years as I now have an urge to post gibberish often.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20403 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 08:24 |
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Yikes, what pressure you put on me upon returning from a long Indian Summer w-e, here!!  Well I take it others filled in many gaps in the next five pages of the present thread. So I'll only give my PoV and not try to be overly factual. Max & Ron bought the ProgArchives from some dude in Florida, but only really opened it to the public end Jan 2004... A couple of days later, I googled up Harmonium and fell immediately on PA (yup, Max' genius was to strike a Google deal right from the start to figure as top search choice or suggestions there, and it quickly gained high visility that PA came on first page on Alta Vista and Yahoo - both on the heavy decline by then). Early Febr, I started putting one or two-liners (often hilarious too, especially if you read them in a row >> for ex, in 80's Kansas albums) on all those 70's classic albums review space. Max was lol-ling all the way through, but impressed by the knowledge and straightforwardness, he contacted me and we started daily exchanges , him asking me for much advice. At the time, I had a lot of time to myself in my labs (while experiments were going on) that I took a few days just answering to him and giving him guidance as to which to include and which to avoid. Max was mostly a progmetal fan (later became a mega VdGG fan
afterwards), and Ron was a more classic prog fan. I suspect that Ron's
health was already quite shaky at the time. I was invited by both to
visit them in Quebec, but somehow that never materialized.  I know Philippe Blache met both, though. Max didn't need much convincing, but I had a tougher time working on Ron, especially about Québécois prog, which he didn't see fit being included (outside Harmonium, Morse Code and Maneige), but finally managed to convince him that even the most obscurre albums like Syncope or Brèche were "prog". He (Ron) spent hours correcting the entries I made, along with Hibou/Lise (I strongly suspect she was really PA #3 at one point), because I wasn't too computer-litterate at that point (not that I've gotten better  ), but also (and mainly) fighting with an English KB at work and a French one at home, which provoked many typos. I waited about a year before starting to post on the forum, Max even copy/pasting some of my thoughts in threads. Anyways PA at one point became #83 of all music sites on the web and sometimes, there were up to 520 visitors at one time in the forum and DB. So many posts and threads that it was impossible to keep up and the going was absolutely wild, especially with the first Admin Maani (a priest, at that) and his total Laissez-Faire policy.... Mayhem and permanent chaos, but incredibly fun too. I think that 12k of my 15k posts were from that first 4 years after I started on the forum. I could spend entire days fighting with Ivàn wheter religion was ruining prog or not We were emptying color ink cartridge by the dozen. Then came the fighting time  , because some SC here took their collaboration as a career, egoes flaring (I suppose that included me as well), and it really became ugly, ultimatum or blackmails started flourishing. At one point, I took a backseat, and just went about my business. By that time, Max had mostly gone absent (it got even worst after that); and Ron was more or less excluded (control had escaped him), but I suspect that his health was culprit #1. But what's weird is that then then-classic Admin teal (Easy Livin, Tony R & Co) was actually restoring order and a semblance of political correctness, by banning troublemakers, but tempers were flaring even worse. (IMHO, like the rest of my post). I'd be afraid to atually count my hours of PA involvement, but a fair or educated guess would be a full year (that's +/- 8000 hours, as a quick lab experiment calculation method) over the almost 16 years 've been here, +/- 45% DB works, 45% Fforum fights and 10% PM'ing (including a torrid flurry dirty  stuff to a female member (man did that ever get HOT)  - I never thought I could write personal porn on a prog site . Good frigging times, despite an ugly period, where I jumped in the melée and got a temporary demotion. |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20403 |
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Yup, we (in The Hague) had imagined you two had chickened out in meeting a bunch of male progheads in a strange city. . Still thinking about some day checking out your restaurant in Koln, but I suspect that that great Saturn megastore (by the subway station, not the one downtown) is only the shadow of its former self. I also remember a thread about double forum IDs and flirting heavily & shamelessly with your sister Bea (USA Girl)
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but she got married and has avoided the place ever since. I also
remember Reed Lover getting on her case for bragging (I mean she was
graphic about how many liters of Lake jizz she swallowed over the years)
about her sordid (sic) sex life and her going bunkersEdited by Sean Trane - November 18 2019 at 08:40 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18801 |
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Posted: November 18 2019 at 08:59 |
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I wonder if there is a prog version of the plaster casters? This might be as close as female prog fans get to being true prog groupies(ladies of the road) although I'm sure there are more than most would have you believe. At first I had to think about what Lake gizz was. Greg Lake. Ok, tmi.
Apparently Greg Lake was late getting on stage for a show once because he was backstage banging a groupie. I'm sure that happened more than once though. Ladies by the score indeed. Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - November 18 2019 at 09:02 |
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moshkito
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Yeah ... but you were not here when one station in LA ... died and 5 minutes later it was playing New Age garbage ... you really should ask Jim Ladd about that someday! Everyone was fired and removed, including secretaries ... on the number 1 FM rock station ... that went silent just like that!
Still and regardless, if you are up to it, your being here is actually very nice ... even if we're getting old ... at 69 (this week!) ... only the music keeps me alive ... and a movie here or there, however, the majority of stuff out there is getting really boring and this one I admit might be me ... even the latest Gaspar Noe, didn't excite me, for 10 seconds, with a shot reminiscent of Busby Berkeley ... actually, I liked Ken Russell's much better! And it was colorful! Happy Holidays to you and family
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