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cluckie
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 05:06 |
no dont bother the pennies dropped. in my opinion 
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cluckie
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 05:10 |
hey look at my stats to the left in the past 3 posts and prob this one too. posts: 24. pfff would like them to clock up if im posting them
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herbie53
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Joined: April 06 2005
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 08:51 |
I like KC very much, but I must confess that they are not my preferred band in Prog Rock (I even like more the swedish bands that are influenced by them, like the trio ANGLABERKDOTEN...)
But when we talk about "Lizard"... This is a phenomenal album, very difficult at the first leastening, but fantastic when you "understand" it best... And you need to see the history of the band at that time... After a masterpiece (ITCOTCK), they came with a great album (ITWOP) but with a big problem: seemed to be a repetition of the anterior album. After bad critics, Fripp decided to try something new, and all their new bandmates contribute with that decision (it's a transition formation, but they worked very fine). Well, I don't like Haskell's vocals, but it don't jeopardize the final work...
To talk the truth, their next album, "Islands", was the real problem... This is the only one uninspired moment of Fripp in the seventies...
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slipperman
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Joined: January 05 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 17:31 |
Heptade wrote:
It's a great album except for Gordon Haskell's vocals, which are beyond dreadful. Ruinous.
How does he sound now that he's a comeback easy listening sensation in the UK? Just curious. | Right about Haskell! Musically I don't think it's quite as strong as the 1st two albums, but if it's not being compared to those it does have some great moments. I've always found the recording to be clunky sounding, and Gordon Haskell just totally drags everything down. He's horrible.
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con safo
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Joined: March 17 2005
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:19 |
one of my personal crimson faves. The title track is incredible, Jon Anderson does a great job.
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the icon of sin
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Joined: July 29 2005
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:33 |
I re-listened to the title track and everything seems to be in the right place, i regret ever criticising it. Now to do the same with all of "Islands"...
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Bj-1
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Joined: June 04 2005
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:51 |
I really liked Lizard when I first heard it, but It's never been a masterpiece for me. It's still a very good album though.
I would rate it 7/10
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Trotsky
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 00:02 |
For me, Lizard has it all, the symphonic feel of the first two albums, the avant-garde jazz thanks to Keith Tippett and some angular Fripp solos ...
Plus two of my favourite KC songs ever in Lady Of The Dancing Water (the brass work underlying the vocals is so beautiful) ...
And what about Cirkus, my God! What a song ... I do find it difficult to listen to because I love Fripp's acoutic guitar work during the verses (actually my favourite Fripp moment of all time) but it's kind of soft and I have to turn it up, and then the chorus is so much louder ... it's still awesome ...
And I love Gordon Haskell's singing on this album too ...
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Prog_Bassist
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Joined: August 29 2004
Location: Canada
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 00:19 |
I think it's a brilliant album.
If you're not a jazz fan I can see how you wouldn't like lizard though. But I personally love it to death.
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Haragei
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Joined: August 23 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 10:27 |
I think it's one of those Crimson albums that probably improves upon repeated listenings, but it's a great one. The artwork is also interesting. A friend told me a whole story behind the mural painted on the album cover once. You can identify the Beatles as well as many other musicians of that time in the artwork.
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Off Centre
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Joined: August 19 2005
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 10:39 |
Soulman wrote:
A long time ago that's what I used to think, but now after listening to
King Crimson's albums, I love all of them! Red is defintely a very raw
(about 3 different instruments on one album; a rarity in prog!) and
quite brilliantly structured album. Though i appreciate albums like
Lizard, which I do not particularly favour above some albums, but still
do enjoy somewhat. I'll agree that Haskell's vocals are not really
enjoyable for me to listen to; I kind of feel like I'm listening to
like a cheesy children's album.
I'll appreciate Lizard, especially how early it was made. The way the
instrumentation is laid out on the mizing of album is quite brilliant.
I kind of get lost in the Cirkus song like I really am in a circus.
Definetely Lizard isn't quite up to par with some albums, but it's a
very different album.
The only way I can describe Lizard is like children's music album, just because of how playful the music is on it.
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Red features lots of different instruments, aside from the guitar/bass
& drums there's sax's, cornet, oboe, cello, viloin and of course...
mellotron.
Lizard is OTT, Fripp's first KC album as the main writer, but thats part of it's charm, it's extreme!!!
Beautiful and scary mellotron, amazing fripp guitar playing, especially
the acoustic work on Cirkus. Keith Tippett plus his horn section
certainly make it sound different to the other albums as well.
I like it, but at the same time I dont!?
My favourite 'if only': Ian and Mike did not leave in dec 69, but
Keith Tippett(as a member not a guest) and Mel Collins still came on
board, now that would have been one hell of a band!!!
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nousommedusolei
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Joined: April 26 2005
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Posted: September 01 2005 at 00:23 |
I didn't used to find Haskell's voice to my liking, but now I don't mind it so much. Hell, it's distorted half the time anyway.
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Astaroth
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Joined: May 03 2005
Location: Peru
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Posted: September 01 2005 at 01:34 |
TheLostChord wrote:
Prince rupert awakes, thats it, lady of dancing water is good but i mean, anyone couldve written it! very simple.
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why don't you write songs like that? do you really think is THAT easy??
come on! is a good album! 
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