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DJ Premier & The Berklee Symphony - Regeneration (Feat. Nas) [Lyrics in Description] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOiQqCq35f0 XXXXX
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I imagine there is probably some rap/breakcore hybrid somewhere or something. A lot of people try to innovate the genre for the heck of it and end up being not very good at it, because they never fell in love with the genre in the first place. Odd meters is the first thing people go to. There is some good experimental rap, but it's usually made by people who love the regular stuff too.
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2Pac - Dear Mama https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb1ZvUDvLDY - NOT BECESSSARY PROG BUT MADE IN 1994 and great instrumentals.

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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

DJ Premier f. Nas, Apathy & The Berklee Symphony Orchestra - Regeneration Remix (Produced by Apathy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8 xxxx
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

DJ Premier f. Nas, Apathy & The Berklee Symphony Orchestra - Regeneration Remix (Produced by Apathy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8 xxxx
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Trip-Hop: Portishead, Massive Attack etc. Check out the latter's 'Mezzanine' CD. 

This should help too: http://www.amazon.com/Straight-Bristol-Massive-Attack-Portishead-Trip-Hop/dp/0340675217
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It's question of tastes, but this stuff for me sucks...I have to admit that sometimes an artist is hidden behind genres like hip-hop, but it happened also with punk.

But I can't not post this masterpiece...I hope you can find a translation if the lyrics, they are amazing.
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Listening to Sweetnighter again....the breakbeat grooves, the electronics, the different moods, the flowing lyricism....if prog hip-hop exists it definitely owes something to this......but the instrumental element seems crucial.
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Moved to general music discussions seeing as there's no mention of prog bands. Not that crazy though seeing as prog hip hop doesn't exist.
There's progressive hip hop though

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I've mentioned Quintorigo, but only becsuse John de Leo raps on an excellent song. At least one prog band is there
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

DJ Premier f. Nas, Apathy & The Berklee Symphony Orchestra - Regeneration Remix (Produced by Apathy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8 xxxx
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I think the philosophies of prog and hip-hop are too polar for them to possibly coexist. Someone could attempt to rap over prog instrumentation, but it wouldn't make it hip hop.
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

DJ Premier f. Nas, Apathy & The Berklee Symphony Orchestra - Regeneration Remix (Produced by Apathy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8 xxxx
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Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.

Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread. Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.

Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread. Thumbs Down


Unfortunately, yes.
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.

Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread. Thumbs Down


I don't see any racism in this thread 'thinly veiled' or otherwise. I think we both might agree that it's a wide stretch to expect the majority of (predominantly white male) Prog fans on a Progressive Rock website to embrace music that originates from a black American culture like Hip Hop. Most Proggers I know certainly enjoy a lot of contemporary jazz and fusion but styles that encroach the broad spectrum of 'dance music' are maybe less popular. It's perfectly fine to discriminate against music you don't care for so are you inferring that expressing same is racist based on the ethnicity of the artist/critic?Dead
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.

Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread. Thumbs Down


I don't see any racism in this thread 'thinly veiled' or otherwise. I think we both might agree that it's a wide stretch to expect the majority of (predominantly white male) Prog fans on a Progressive Rock website to embrace music that originates from a black American culture like Hip Hop. Most Proggers I know certainly enjoy a lot of contemporary jazz and fusion but styles that encroach the broad spectrum of 'dance music' are maybe less popular. It's perfectly fine to discriminate against music you don't care for so are you inferring that expressing same is racist based on the ethnicity of the artist/critic?Dead


I don't think liking or not liking rap is racist. I sure don't like it. However, I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of "Selling coco..." Clever, perhaps, but blatantly racist.
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Originally posted by twalsh twalsh wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.

Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread. Thumbs Down


I don't see any racism in this thread 'thinly veiled' or otherwise. I think we both might agree that it's a wide stretch to expect the majority of (predominantly white male) Prog fans on a Progressive Rock website to embrace music that originates from a black American culture like Hip Hop. Most Proggers I know certainly enjoy a lot of contemporary jazz and fusion but styles that encroach the broad spectrum of 'dance music' are maybe less popular. It's perfectly fine to discriminate against music you don't care for so are you inferring that expressing same is racist based on the ethnicity of the artist/critic?Dead


I don't think liking or not liking rap is racist. I sure don't like it. However, I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of "Selling coco..." Clever, perhaps, but blatantly racist.


OK I admit I don't really understand the context or source of the 'Selling Coco' post from Svetonio but what Man Overboard and yourself have both deemed 'thinly veiled' racism is now considered 'blatantly racist?' Wouldn't bandcamp have raised the same misgivings as yourself (and I'm assuming you've reported the post to the PA admins?)


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Well, firstly, racism is pretty common.   Cultures are still struggling to learn how to communicate with respect. I don't know why Bandcamp or PA would be any different.   And blatant may have been too strong a word on my part, admittedly. Secondly, I don't believe most racism is intentional. Better to have a conversation than Report every occurrence. Most racism isn't neo nazi/ National Front, KKK stuff. Most is more subtle and usually not intended to cause harm. I work everyday with victims of various forms of bigotry and discrimination, so even the little stuff can seem blatant to me.

Sorry, I'm trying to point out something that concerns me without making too big a deal about it. Easier said than done.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by twalsh twalsh wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group.

Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread. Thumbs Down


I don't see any racism in this thread 'thinly veiled' or otherwise. I think we both might agree that it's a wide stretch to expect the majority of (predominantly white male) Prog fans on a Progressive Rock website to embrace music that originates from a black American culture like Hip Hop. Most Proggers I know certainly enjoy a lot of contemporary jazz and fusion but styles that encroach the broad spectrum of 'dance music' are maybe less popular. It's perfectly fine to discriminate against music you don't care for so are you inferring that expressing same is racist based on the ethnicity of the artist/critic?Dead


I don't think liking or not liking rap is racist. I sure don't like it. However, I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of "Selling coco..." Clever, perhaps, but blatantly racist.


OK I admit I don't really understand the context or source of the 'Selling Coco' post from Svetonio but what Man Overboard and yourself have both deemed 'thinly veiled' racism is now considered 'blatantly racist?' Wouldn't bandcamp have raised the same misgivings as yourself (and I'm assuming you've reported the post to the PA admins?)
 
I would say that the "Selling Coco" clip Svetty posted from Bandcamp is blatantly stupid. Derive whatever else you wish from that.
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