American Politics the 2016 edition

TeleStrat wrote: ^ It's not a matter of violating rules. A simple Google search will show that she has already broken two or three federal laws. She has not been charged with anything yet because the investigation is ongoing. I won't go into the number of classified documents she mishandled, illegally removed and destroyed. She could be charged for any of these but she violated all three. This is all old news and will be until the FBI concludes it's investigation and makes a recommendation to the DOJ. If the recommendation is to file charges I'm curious to see how Obama directs the DOJ to proceed.

as much as I agree that Clinton acted wrong regarding her e-mails, mishandling classified documents is not among her misdemeanors. the documents in question were retroactively marked "classified".

I am however in doubt her misdemeanors were a conscious decision of her. what's more, I am quite certain you could find similar faults with almost ANY politician. politicians are usually not computer experts and hence are prone to make mistakes in that regard. and top hackers will hack their way into ANY system, no matter what protective action you take. the defense is always behind in the arms race for computer security; it is system-immanent. the whole case is only blown up because Clinton is a candidate for the prime office.

this is not meant as an excuse for Clinton. it is just to point out that any presidential election is equivalent to choosing between pest (in this case Trump) and cholera (Clinton). I'm glad I no longer have to make this decision (I became a German citizen in 2000 and had to give up my US citizenship for that; in Germany double citizenship is only allowed if you spend a significant time of the year in either country), but if I had to choose I would choose cholera

micky wrote: ^ the Democratic Party is changing man.. just be patient with it.  It is moving to where you all want to see it go. To the left and the fringes. Just as the GOP has for been doing for years in the opposite direction. To the point where moderates in the GOP are nearly as extinct as those who might be seen as enlightened and compassionate within the GOP ranks.  Hillary can be seen as a place holder for you all. She won't do what you want, but unlike Trump she won't do what you do not like. Big difference Hillary and her crew are likely the last we'll see of the moderate centrists wing for some time.

JJLehto wrote: I do hope there is a "left's tea party" though, and more progressives start running for office, and getting elected. There are some names already running that fill this role, and given politicians are politicians (heck some may actually mean it!) I do think more "berniecrats" will spring up and run as well in the future.

maybe we should call this party the "coffee party"

BaldJean wrote: JJLehto wrote: I do hope there is a "left's tea party" though, and more progressives start running for office, and getting elected. There are some names already running that fill this role, and given politicians are politicians (heck some may actually mean it!) I do think more "berniecrats" will spring up and run as well in the future. maybe we should call this party the "coffee party"

What?!

AP said last night that Hillary has clinched the nomination based on new delegate and superdelegate counts. 

The Superdelegate system is intelligent and necessary. It is set to prevent cases like Donald Trump from happening in the Democratic Party by giving final power to party officials who can go outside of a poorly chosen candidate by the electorate. Political parties are private, they can set the rules they want and it's just normal that they want to hold some type of control on case the electorate (which was given a voice in primaries relatively recently) screws up. Just ask Republicans how much they would love to have superdelegates right now. And anyway, the discussion is moot: never have superdelegates yet gone against the electorate will.

And, most importantly, Hillary Clinton has BEATEN Sanders fair and square even in pledged delegates.

Yes, Sanders has revealed himself to be a politician driven by his ego first. I'm not comparing him to nobody. Please read well.

Edited by The T - June 07 2016 at 10:35

The super delegate system is awful and has been abandoned in many states this year, thankfully.

^That's up for opinion. I think it's a good system. Let's remember direct popular vote in primaries is very very recent. It used to be all in control of the party (again, a private organization). 

Range voting?