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Gordy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Folk/Eclectic/PSIKE/Metal/Post/Math Team Joined: January 25 2007 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 4332 |
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I made a little mistake just now entering Emeralds' Live LP as a Studio Album instead of the very obvious Live (I'm still getting used to the submission process and sometimes I forget to check things). Thanks in advance.
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projeKct ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: November 03 2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2934 |
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^ Fixed. By the way, thanks for your regular additions to the database.
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mbzr48 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Discography Auditor Joined: February 11 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2158 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75274
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=75275 are Single not Studio Albums, sorry
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45641 |
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fixed.
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Moocanoe ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: July 14 2020 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8702
The Lead Singer of the Band, Warne, came out as trans in 2021 and now goes by Shelby Logan Warne |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Now this will be interesting. I know I would happily change all instances of the dead name, and believe it is the right thing to do, but I suspect PA may not. |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45641 |
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why wouldn't PA change the name? I'll do it a bit later, it's just simple editing. |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45641 |
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ok, I edited the artists name in the bio and albums/singles
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Oh, I completely agree, and I’m glad it is recognised as being just that. I was worried simoly because of some of the transphobic comments I have seen in the forum, and that even now some people refuse to acknowledge, eg, Switched On Bach as being a Wendy Carlos album - and will only refer to the artist by her dead name for that record, as that was the name it was recorded under. I was expecting there may have been an argument about “historical accuracy” and “whitewashing” and “airbrushing”, or similar. I’m very glad to see this has not been the case! |
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7935 |
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Transphobia aside, I think we should keep historical accuracy, i.e. write names as they are written in albums' credits. Cats and dogs know of mentioned Wendy Carlos, another example is David (now Dee) Palmer of Jethro Tull fame, who is credited as David on all Tull records (please don't hurry to "fix" this ![]() Edited by NotAProghead - May 16 2022 at 16:58 |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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tupan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 22 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 1241 |
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Full instrumentation for this single: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=74421
- Geordie Greep / Vocals, Yamaha SA60, Epiphone Masterbilt Nylon Guitar, Accordion, Silvertone Lapsteel, Gold Tone Resonator (Slide), Grand Piano, Hammond Organ, National Resonator
- Cameron Picton / Vox Phantom Fretless, Upright Bass, Flute
- Morgan Simpson / Ludwig Club Date SE Kit, Brushed Snare, Tuned Kick Drum
- Seth Evans / Bechstein Grand Piano, Rhodes 54 - Seth Evans
it's weird, they put this info in the YT video but not in Bandcamp. |
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"Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen)
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45641 |
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On the band's official site, only the new name appears, not the old one, re-written history I guess.
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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You say transphobia aside, yet what you propose is transphobia - and exactly the response I was expecting, and so was so pleasantly surprised when Cristi went ahead and did the right thing.
It is called a dead name for a reason, and the person wants it to be erased from history, as it is a part of them they never wanted. When a person changes their life in this manner, they are entitled to have literally everything regarding their dead name wiped. I have a couple of trans friends, who would be horrified at the thought that someone wanted to keep the dead name in a space where it can so easily be changed, They have changed their birth certificates, so the official registry of births, deaths and marriages recognises only the new name, and has no record kept of the old one. In the future, if someone who did not know was doing genealogy and searching them up, they would only ever find a baby born as a girl, with the name they now go by. They have contacted their universities, and their records there have been changed, and new degrees sent out with the new name. As soon as an actor becomes an actress, or vice versa, Netflix, Amazon and the like change all the credits on their platforms. Wikipedia removes all mention of the dead name, except for in the introductory sentence where in parentheses it will say formerly [x], and all pronouns are changed in the entry to match the current chosen pronouns. Yes, it is impossible to change the liner notes of what is already out there, or the credits on any film that is out there. But guess what, every new edition of the release (whether it be music or film or whatever) will have removed the dead name. That’s not even a new thing. It took aroind ten years to happen, but since the ‘80s any of Carlos’s albums that had previously been released under her dead name, have been re-released as being by Wendy Carlos. It’s even easier in this day and age, where a lot of releases are only online to stream or download, with either no physical product, or the physical release is a limited run or print-to-order, allowing re-releases to change if necessary. And if it is a release available only to stream or download, then once the dead name is gone, unless you already knew about it, you’d now never know. A dead name is called that for a reason. There is absolutely no good reason for PA to display a dead name. Wanting to match the name credited in the original release is not a good enough reason. It really is not. |
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7935 |
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Phobia means "an extreme or irrational fear". Obviously I'm not afraid of trans people. I'm not a "transphile" either, but that's not the point.
I don't care how Wikipedia or Netflix or whatever remove "dead names", but there are still original records (videos etc) which have these original (or, in your interpretation, dead) names. Imagine, you watch Jethro Tull video from the 70s, see Dee Palmer in the credits but don't see any ladies on stage on your screen. What would you think? Once again, I still insist: we should keep historical accuracy, i.e. write names as they are written in albums' credits. This means keep "dead names" before the person made his/her coming out and use "new names" after his/her transformation. It's only the voice of reason. No more and no less.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Interesting discussion, but please let's be careful before accusing people... From an archivist point of view, NotAProghead's position would be the generally accepted one. Not out of transphobia or whatever, but just out of cataloguing principles that dictate to record the data that correspond to the artistic production at the time of its production. Name changes afterwards can - and should - be included for indexing purposes, but this shouldn't change the original reference, only complement it. Eventual new editions of a production, should not delete references in the original catalogue descriptions, despite name changes over time or whatever. They should just be added. Deleting initial/original names would be a cataloguing error! |
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The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7935 |
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^ Thanks, that's exactly what I've tried to say.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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projeKct ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: November 03 2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2934 |
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Thanks, done!
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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I know that it what you tried to say. And, sorry, it is transphobia. It is understandable, and I get where you are coming from. But in the future, the norm will be the Wiki route, and I think that is the route that PA should take. If it doesn’t, at some point in the future it will be completely outdated, because no one will be dong anything more than the Wiki route. So that would mean that you would put in the credits for an album where the dead name was originally used as New Name (formerly known as Dead Name) - Instrument played. Anything else is, whether you are aware of it being so or not, transphobic. |
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mbzr48 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Discography Auditor Joined: February 11 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2158 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=45296
1. Up to You (7:45) 2. Part of Me (4:30) 3. Gone (7:44) 4. Half a World Away (5:17) 5. Who You Are (6:04) 6. Stand (8:18) 7. Vision Quest (12:15) 8. One More Sunset (5:39) 9. Power (2:55) Total Time 60:27
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mbzr48 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Discography Auditor Joined: February 11 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2158 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6841
1. Lux Universum Part I (0:59) 2. Autumn Sky (6:35) 3. Anything at All (6:13) 4. Universal Light (4:25) 5. Here and Now (5:10 6. Crying in the Rain (7:09) 7. Sojourn (10:19) 8. Nothing at All (5:56) 9. O Lost (5:55) 10. Ashley's Song (Sail On) (7:21) 11. Lux Universum Part II (4:13) Total Time: 74:42 - Kevin Jarvis / bass, acoustic guitar (5), electric guitar (5), keyboards (5), mandolin (5), vocals (5)
- Clark Boone / lead and backing vocals, acoustic guitar - Mike Avins / lead and rhythm electric guitar - Dana Oxendine / lead and backing vocals, flute - Frank Tyson / bass guitar (3), vocals (3) - Rick Walker / drums and percussion |
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