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^^^^ Thanks guys for your kind words.  I found some good bio info on the unofficial Balletto website that is linked on the PA band page, and then more material from a book entitled "Il Balletto di Bronzo e l'Idea del Delirio Organizzato" by Gianmaria Consiglio.  I find that understanding the backstory of the albums often brings greater appreciation, and that sure happened with me and "Vero."  Jim, I agree about the picture--a perfect characterization.
 
Chris, nice Abissi Infiniti review!  That one has stumped me for quite some time.  I'll give it another spin with your perspective in mind.  I have seen that one pop on eBay a couple of times recently.
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Ital-prog's classic-era top 20, just for kicks.  While every top 20 would be different, and I know many of my favorites are missing, there's no doubt great stuff here! 
This would be an awfully good starting list for the RPI noob.  Thumbs Up


  1. Zarathustra (1973) - Museo Rosenbach
  2. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (1972) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
  3. Storia di un minuto (1972) - Premiata Forneria Marconi
  4. Alphataurus (1973) - Alphataurus
  5. Biglietto per l'Inferno (1974) - Biglietto per l'Inferno
  6. Campo di Marte (1973) - Campo di Marte
  7. Io non so da dove vengo... (1973) - De De Lind
  8. DNA (1972) - Jumbo
  9. Inferno (1973) - Metamorfosi
  10. Quella Vecchia Locanda (1972) - Quella Vecchia Locanda
  11. Uno (1971) - Panna Fredda
  12. Melos (1973) - Cervello
  13. Fede speranza e carità (1972) - Jet
  14. L'Uovo di Colombo (1973) - L'Uovo di Colombo
  15. Collage (1971) - Le Orme
  16. Palepoli (1973) - Osanna
  17. Ys (1972) - Balletto di Bronzo
  18. Arbeit macht frei (1973) - Area
  19. Maxophone (1975) - Maxophone
  20. Intorno alla mia cattiva educazione (1974) - Alusa Fallax
    L'apprendista (1977) - Stormy Six

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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Ital-prog's classic-era top 20, just for kicks.  While every top 20 would be different, and I know many of my favorites are missing, there's no doubt great stuff here! 
This would be an awfully good starting list for the RPI noob.  Thumbs Up


  1. Zarathustra (1973) - Museo Rosenbach
  2. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (1972) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
  3. Storia di un minuto (1972) - Premiata Forneria Marconi
  4. Alphataurus (1973) - Alphataurus
  5. Biglietto per l'Inferno (1974) - Biglietto per l'Inferno
  6. Campo di Marte (1973) - Campo di Marte
  7. Io non so da dove vengo... (1973) - De De Lind
  8. DNA (1972) - Jumbo
  9. Inferno (1973) - Metamorfosi
  10. Quella Vecchia Locanda (1972) - Quella Vecchia Locanda
  11. Uno (1971) - Panna Fredda
  12. Melos (1973) - Cervello
  13. Fede speranza e carità (1972) - Jet
  14. L'Uovo di Colombo (1973) - L'Uovo di Colombo
  15. Collage (1971) - Le Orme
  16. Palepoli (1973) - Osanna
  17. Ys (1972) - Balletto di Bronzo
  18. Arbeit macht frei (1973) - Area
  19. Maxophone (1975) - Maxophone
  20. Intorno alla mia cattiva educazione (1974) - Alusa Fallax
    L'apprendista (1977) - Stormy Six



Very nice list.  I have yet to hear 7, 8, 13, 14, 15 (Embarrassed), and not sure about the 2 number 20 albums.  I have an Alusa Fallax album, but not sure which one off hand (have to check when I get home).  I think I've heard the Stormy Six, though I don't own it.

In any case, one through six are certainly part of my RPI top 20, without a doubt!  The rest are up there, at least.

* (edit)  I guess there is only one Alusa Fallax album, so obviously that is the one I have Embarrassed  Guess I need to give it another spin soon Smile




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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Ital-prog's classic-era top 20, just for kicks.  While every top 20 would be different, and I know many of my favorites are missing, there's no doubt great stuff here! 
This would be an awfully good starting list for the RPI noob.  Thumbs Up


  1. Zarathustra (1973) - Museo Rosenbach
  2. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (1972) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
  3. Storia di un minuto (1972) - Premiata Forneria Marconi
  4. Alphataurus (1973) - Alphataurus
  5. Biglietto per l'Inferno (1974) - Biglietto per l'Inferno
  6. Campo di Marte (1973) - Campo di Marte
  7. Io non so da dove vengo... (1973) - De De Lind
  8. DNA (1972) - Jumbo
  9. Inferno (1973) - Metamorfosi
  10. Quella Vecchia Locanda (1972) - Quella Vecchia Locanda
  11. Uno (1971) - Panna Fredda
  12. Melos (1973) - Cervello
  13. Fede speranza e carità (1972) - Jet
  14. L'Uovo di Colombo (1973) - L'Uovo di Colombo
  15. Collage (1971) - Le Orme
  16. Palepoli (1973) - Osanna
  17. Ys (1972) - Balletto di Bronzo
  18. Arbeit macht frei (1973) - Area
  19. Maxophone (1975) - Maxophone
  20. Intorno alla mia cattiva educazione (1974) - Alusa Fallax
    L'apprendista (1977) - Stormy Six


Is that made from the P.A ratings or did you choose it? It's a good list either way, i think i have around half of them so maybe i should explore the ones i don't
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No it's nothing to do with PA, its the opinion of another RPI writer.  Just an alternate opinion from those of us who usually give our lists here!Smile
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I was quite surprised at PFM - Storia... being the preferred choice over Per Un Amico. Obviously it's more popular on PA than elsewhere
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I actually prefer Storia to Amico myself, by a hair.  Though I don't think any PFM would be in my top 20 anymore.  I'm pretty much done making lists though.  It's just too tortuous to rank stuff.  People just need to hear them all, slowly, to experience the essence of the genre.  Little bands and popular bands, all have their contributions!  No matter what you put into a top 20 list, it is so incomplete, and that is the bottom line for any sub-genre.

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Agreed the moment i finish a list i think of something i prefer. And my feelings towards an album go from extremes one second it could be in my top 10 worst albums then 2 listens later it's my favourite of all time
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Yep....I've been thereLOL^
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

^exactly right.  Not sure why the guy freaked out.  I think most people understand talking references or influences does not mean we are stating emphatically that band X = Area.  Doesn't mean they are bad because they aren't Area.

While everyone knows I get a bit over-enthusiastic about RPI, my take and I believe the others who mentioned Area were talking about the "spirit' of the music, the playfulness they possess.  We weren't saying they were clones.  


 
And while vocalist Gianni Venturi doesn't exactly sound like Demetrio Stratos he was a way of using his voice that bears parallels being drawn to the great man.
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Really nice breakdown of a cool album, great job sir!
 
 Neogothic Progressive Toccatas by THREE MONKS album cover Studio Album, 2010
Neogothic Progressive Toccatas
Three Monks Rock Progressivo Italiano

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5 stars Three Monks is a new Italian band which dares to push the limits of mixing progressive rock & classical music further than anybody before. For sure we can find few examples of using pipe organ in rock in 70s, but these were mainly only experiments, not an idea for the whole sound of a band. Of course there was also a band called Jacula (which later re-formed as Antonius Rex) where church organ sound occupied dominant role, but Jacula never really sound like real progressive rock, mainly because of lack of a real rhythm section (but don't get me wrong, despite these flaws and awful "evil seed" context, I really like Jacula's music!). Anyway Three Monks is the only band I know which uses this very original idea: symphonic prog-rock trio with only pipe organ, bass guitar and drums. To be honest I always dreamed about such project and my dream came true!

Let's check their compositions from their debut album "Neogothic Progressive Toccatas":

1. "Progressive Magdeburg" - great track with thundering drums, deep bass lines and - the most important - glorious pipe organ layers. Extremely energetic & furious performance. If you can image ELP with cathedral organ instead of Hammond...this is exactly such staff.

2. "Toccata Neogotica # 1" - the longest compositions begins very calm with only pipe organ sound, something you can easily hear in your local church (if they have good organ of course), but after a while Roberto Bichi & Maurizio Bozzi join to add splendid rhythm section. Just like the whole album: magnificent music full of overwhelming church organ waves. Half-way between Keith Emerson and J.S. Bach. That's what I like in my music!

3. "Neogothic Pedal Solo" - surprisingly this track begins with monk chants (rather artificial than real thing here, but still sounds OK). After that we can witness very long but not very dragging bass guitar solo. In the middle of the track Paolo Lazzeri starts to "attack" as again with dark organ chops. From this moment the rest of "Neogothic Pedal Solo" sounds more like real church music or horror soundtrack. I can also say that it's the most Jacula-like composition becasue of lack of drums.

4. "Herr Jann" - furious drums come back in "Herr Jann" to provide phenomenal support for powerful church organ layers. Simply: another mind-blowing, ear-shattering piece of art.

5. "Deep Red (Profondo Rosso)" - it's just an amazing adaptation of Goblin's classic theme from Italian giallo movie - "Profondo Rosso"(great movie anyway!). Goblin's original was also mainly played on pipe organ, but I have to admit that this pipe-organ only (+ drums & bass) version is equally fantastic, and maybe even better! My favorite tune on the album.

6. "Profondo Gotico" - superb continuation of previous theme with many classical variations. Heavy organ floods rule as always!

7. "Toccata Neogotica # 7" - last piece is a bombastic culmination of all rock & classical influences. Storming drums & grandious cathedral organ which will cause a goose bumps on your shoulders. Tremendously thrilling experience. Like crazy Bach after big dozen of LSD or hallucinogen mushrooms, who listened too many ELP's albums (or something like that :-).

Conclusion? You really ned this album, I have no doubt about it. If you always liked church organ sound and you wondered how it could sound together with powerful drums & bass guitar, you have your answer here. The only two artists I can compare with Three Monks are Jacula/Antonius Rex & Marco Lo Muscio. But addition of rhythm section gives completely new dimension to Three Monks' music, much more "rock" here (and lack of Jacula's "evil seed", sinister occult lyrics is also a plus for me).

"Neogothic Progressive Toccatas" is surely one of the best and for sure the most innovative prog-rock album of 2010. If music critics won't notice it, it means that music critics are deaf or plain stupid.

(In fact I can only find one flaw on this release. After listening to this album couple of time I read interview with Three Monks keyboardist and he said that the whole album was recorded using...synthesizer not real pipe organ. Unfortunately this info took some "magic" away... I used to think that there was some vampire-style, bent organist raging on cathedral-style organ, but now I see that there was only a guy pushing plastic keys and staring at computer monitor. Doesn't sound too "atmospheric" for me...)

Best tracks: "Deep Red (Profondo Rosso)" & "Toccata Neogotica # 7"

Fully deserved 5 stars from ozzy_tom.

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Hi,
 
Three Monks are definetly on my short list. Sadly BTF couldn't deliver it anymore and deleted it from their site.
But obviously they have signed to Black Widow and it seems this one will be rereleased again by them.
 
To Finnforest List: Isn't that the list from Augusto Croce? (www.italianprog.com)
 
Really good starting point for a collection. But personally I would change Felona e Sorona for the "Footprints"
and "Per un Amico" for the "Priced Bakery Marconi".
 
I think I would also change one of the nr. 20ts (also both are brilliant) for "Locanda delle Fate" (because of sheer beauty of their album).
 
Thanks to everyone for coments on Eutyhmia and Labirinto, I hope they will arrive soon (hate waiting for CD
orders :-)).
 
What do you thinks about more folkish italian bands like Corde Oblique or Ianva? Ianvas both albums just blew me away, what incredible music this is, amazing. Corde Obliques "Stones of Naples" is just beautiful in every way.
 
For those of you who happen to understand some german, this site might be interresting: http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=list&top=reviews&countrycont=68
 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Ital-prog's classic-era top 20, just for kicks.  While every top 20 would be different, and I know many of my favorites are missing, there's no doubt great stuff here! 
This would be an awfully good starting list for the RPI noob.  Thumbs Up


  1. Zarathustra (1973) - Museo Rosenbach
  2. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (1972) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
  3. Storia di un minuto (1972) - Premiata Forneria Marconi
  4. Alphataurus (1973) - Alphataurus
  5. Biglietto per l'Inferno (1974) - Biglietto per l'Inferno
  6. Campo di Marte (1973) - Campo di Marte
  7. Io non so da dove vengo... (1973) - De De Lind
  8. DNA (1972) - Jumbo
  9. Inferno (1973) - Metamorfosi
  10. Quella Vecchia Locanda (1972) - Quella Vecchia Locanda
  11. Uno (1971) - Panna Fredda
  12. Melos (1973) - Cervello
  13. Fede speranza e carità (1972) - Jet
  14. L'Uovo di Colombo (1973) - L'Uovo di Colombo
  15. Collage (1971) - Le Orme
  16. Palepoli (1973) - Osanna
  17. Ys (1972) - Balletto di Bronzo
  18. Arbeit macht frei (1973) - Area
  19. Maxophone (1975) - Maxophone
  20. Intorno alla mia cattiva educazione (1974) - Alusa Fallax
    L'apprendista (1977) - Stormy Six

 
A few years ago when I discovered RPI via Per un amico  and Darwin!, I went nuts trying to navigate through the hundreds of RPI bands.  This list and the PA top RPI list served as my springboard.  What a glorious thing is Rock Progressivo Italiano!
 
When I hit this list, CERVELLO was out of print, and it took me some patient months on eBay before I found a copy.  We're in luck, as it's just been reissued!  Along with MUSEO ROSENBACH, which has been out of print for over a year.  I think ALPHATAURUS and L'UOVO DI COLOMBO are about to be reissued.  Several of these titles have just been given a packaging makeover, too, most notably OSANNA's Palepoli.
 
While everyone's list will obviously differ, there's not a bad title here.  Buy away!
 
So, if you could add one or more to this list, what would you add?  I would add:
I GIGANTI - Terra in boca
PROCESSION - Frontiera
LATTE E MIELE - Passio Secundum Mattheum
SEMIRAMIS - Dedicato a Frazz
BLOCCO MENTALE - POA
ROCKY'S FILJ - Storie di uomini e non
STEFANO TESTA - Una vita una balena bianca e altre cose
ODISSEA - same (great review, by the way, Jim!)
 
I would also exchange Le Orme's album Felona e Sorona  for Collage.


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^ I would also trade the first QUELLA VECCHIA LOCANDA in for the second one, Il tempo della gioia.  But both are essential!!

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H, yes it is the Italprog list from Croce's site, not mine.  I just posted it for a different take than PA. 
 
Ianva is a very cool band!!  Not familiar with the other you mention. 
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I need to investigate IANVA, thanks for the reminder!
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Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

^ I would also trade the first QUELLA VECCHIA LOCANDA in for the second one, Il tempo della gioia.  But both are essential!!


I wholeheartedly agree! But then again any rpi list that doesn't have Il tempo della gioia at no. 1 is null as far as I'm concerned.Tongue

Anyway, I just feel the need to share my love for Milk and Honey, they do have the occasional jazzy bits which really grind my gears, but other than that they are absolutely amazing. I have to say that hearing a snippet from Vivaldi's Primavera (Allegro) on Papillon and an almost pop-ish and very playful version of Adagio-Allegro Molto e Vivace from Beethoven's 1st symphony on Aquile e Scoiattoli, made me so happy. And then there was Grieg's In the Hall of the Mountain King on Buon Vecchio Charlie's sole release, which I really enjoyed.
The question is are there any other RPI albums that have classical bits inserted? :D


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^ An excellent album you should try is Contaminazione by IL ROVESCIO DELLA MEDAGLIA, which is based on the life of JS Bach, and many themes are centered around his "Well Tempered Clavier."

 
That album would probably make my top 25 RPI list--some days, any way.


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There is a bit of Bach on Battiato's "Fetus" album. 
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Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

^ An excellent album you should try is Contaminazione by IL ROVESCIO DELLA MEDAGLIA, which is based on the life of JS Bach, and many themes are centered around his "Well Tempered Clavier."

 
That album would probably make my top 25 RPI list--some days, any way.

Oh I've tried that one many times and I agree - it is top 20 rpi material.Wink
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