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I can't conform to general consensus therefor deleted.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2007 at 15:01
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Come on, Ben! An album doesn't have to be perfect to warrant a 5-star review. Our system for rating is a bit flawed, but that stuff is hard to change.
 
No..Ben is right....An album doesn't have to be perfect, but the pros must outweigh the cons considerably.
 
For example, I would give Brain Salad Surgery 5 stars, despite the presence of non  5 star tracks, because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. And the good parts outweigh any shortcomings significantly.
 
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But what Tuxon has said is just plain daft.Confused
 
Ouch
 
It's not daft, but I hate it when my opinions are presented as facts.
 
My opinions are not objective, they are entirely subjective and completely right for they are mine. There's no need to agree with me, but you can't say my opinions are daft just because your subjective opinion isn't in agreement with mine.
 
Can't your opinion be daft in my opinion?Wink
 
Sure it can, but you can't state as a fact that my opinion is daftTongue
 
 
 
But I didn't state it as a fact. You are now stating that the statement is a fact. It never was a fact. Thats a fact.
 
It was an opinion............imo.Wink
 
you two are far worse than I'll ever be....
 
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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

But what Tuxon has said is just plain daft.Confused
 
that's a factual statement, not opinion.
 
Well, thats your opinion.
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I can't conform to general consensus therefor deleted.


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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

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My opinion was there to express that other people's opinions can't be critisised if these opinions are genuine.
 
If someone believes all Rush albums are worth 5 stars, who are we to say he is wrong, it's his opinion and that should be fine with us. The same for people who don't consider KC Court of the crimson King a masterpiece, or consideres Genesis albums to be very weak.
 
it's all opinion and if you can't deal with people having different opinions, how can you expect honoust ratings. Fans and bashers should get more freedom to express their likes and dislikes openly and uncensored, without constantly being called fanboy's or not worthy of writing on a progressive rock site.
 
We need both sides of the medaillion to keep a balance between objective analisis and subjective reasons, personally i prefer subjective reasons for liking a band than an objective analysis, for that may reflect on quality, but not on beauty.
 
The problem with the Rush reviews is that it aren't album reviews, but band reviews, and those should be a part of the album review, but the review has to be specifically adressing the album, which didn't happen. therefor they should be deleted, and the writer should be informed asking for a more album specific review to replace the faulted review. But it's the review that's wrong, not his opinion.
 
 
 
Do you consider this opinion daft also?
 
Some of it...yep!
 
 
 
 
But I must hasten to add, before you think I'm speaking facts..that its just my opinon.


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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

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My opinion was there to express that other people's opinions can't be critisised if these opinions are genuine.
 
If someone believes all Rush albums are worth 5 stars, who are we to say he is wrong, it's his opinion and that should be fine with us.
  
 
Who are we to say he is wrong? Just sensible people thats all. Anyone who says all Rush albums are worth 5 stars are BLINDED, by their devotion to the band, so their ratings must be taken with a pinch of salt.
 
But its just my opinion. I can't prove I'm right. 
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You two are nuts and you will be for it when Bob and Guigo' see what you've been doing in their thread.....
 
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Ok....I'm outta here.......Cool<<<disguise.
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Great idea Atkingani, to move my post about Progger his reviews to this thread, what a vivid discussion it evoked Unhappy ...
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my opinion is stated ErikErmm
 
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Great idea Atkingani, to move my post about Progger his reviews to this thread, what a vivid discussion it evoked Unhappy ...
 
"shine on your crazy diamond is nothing but a poor song with boring use of synthesizers and too mellow use of guitars"
 
"Close to the edge is the most overrated epic, it's no more than drugs-driven over-ambitious crap with irritating self-indulgence on keyboards and guitar"
 
"The Musical Box is a typical symphonic prog song that lacks tension and ends with hysterical screams by the over-sensitive singer Peter Gabriel with his childish lyrics"
 
they sound like real reviews I've read......
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Yes Erik, I too tire of these iconoclastic low ratings/reviews that are so obviously done to provoke a reaction. No problem with 1/2 star ratings by any means, but to just come out and say 'album X is overrated' without going into much depth about why they think that a long-since acknowledged historically important album is 'overrated' basically often amounts to 'I don't like this album, so it must be overrated'...Dead
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I have to admit that I was on the brink of reviewing in the "degrading and provoking The T and Progger style" but I don't want to make progheads feel upset only because I am angry about some people who do not deserve the negative attention they succeed to generate Angry But every time I read those reviews I feel a primitive urge to react immediately with a similar negative review about the bands they like and I don't.... until now I managed to handle those feelings, I hope I won't let myself go so when I notice the names like The T and Progger I stop reading, that's the best way for me to avoid more anger and possible negative actions.
 
Tuxon, the two star rated reviews about Genesis and King Crimson are a problem, I don't like the way he nails the music, too cheap, if more progheads starts to write like this, Prog Archives will loose it's credibility, so poor!


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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Great idea Atkingani, to move my post about Progger his reviews to this thread, what a vivid discussion it evoked Unhappy ...
 
Sometimes it takes 2-3 days to ignite, Erik... Wink
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Well, in this case 2-3 hours Atkingani Wink 
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

 
Tuxon, the two star rated reviews about Genesis and King Crimson are a problem, I don't like the way he nails the music, too cheap, if more progheads starts to write like this, Prog Archives will loose it's credibility, so poor!
 
I agree, reviews are subjective but saying that Foxtrot "lacks musicianship" would be considered low-level trolling if posted on the forum. That remark is so dumb on many levels.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote erik neuteboom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2007 at 17:26
Exactly Tony R30, what if I am going to write about Dream Theater that "I am fed up with their emotionless scale acrobatics" or about The Beatles "I cannot imagine that serious progheads love this music, what a mediocre bunch of pseudo-prog, The Stranglers and The Tubes deliver more exciting prog moments in their early period" ...
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I can't conform to general consensus therefor deleted.
 


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