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Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:20 |
Sean Trane wrote:
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^ it's really well written
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Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives
The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of school violence, muder, torture and rape.
The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.
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Well, the "well-written" part is not completely clear to me...  .... I agree with some kind of "Progressive PArental Advisory" System.... To put a label before the reviews: DISC DEEMED DANGEROUS; PROCEED AT OWN RISK. But the thing is, other albums with less dangerous concepts should receive such a flag, but because of their music..."DISC DEEMED DANGEROUS FOR YOUR EARS; ATROCITY, MUSICAL NUDITY, FOUL NOTE LANGUAGE, EXCESIVE NOISE, etc....
No, really, please. The review IS exaggerated. The disc may be atrocious (and if that name-stealer seb bach -how dared his parents name him after The Master) but the insults towards that obnoxious excuse for a singer are too harsh.. people could get offended... The biggest problem I have is this: If I, THE T, THE LighT would've called someone names, my review wouldn't have lasted more than 5 minutes... But as this is a celebrity's review (  ), none touches it. Hey! I insist for the 100th time: is it really so bad to change ONE out of 1900??!!  
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:31 |
Sean Trane wrote:
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^ it's really well written
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Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives
The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of school violence, muder, torture and rape.
The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.
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Just because the album is about human nature and violence doesn't mean it's an endorsement of it.Frameshift's last album was a loose concept revolving around genetics,this one deals with human violence.
And how dare you try to censure an album that is here just because you object to the lyrical content !!!!!!!
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:36 |
Don;t listen to that asshole(that's exactly what Mr. Teaflax is) Tux, there are great reviews from Gatot and Ivan, it should be a very good album. I'll definitely check it out
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:42 |
Oh ok Ivan, it looks different when you put it that way. No hard feelings, I just misunderstood you.
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Posted: April 20 2007 at 16:56 |
About Mr. Teaflax and his Magenta-Seven review: it's our duty to inform progheads about music in an objective way so they can decide or they are interested. Mr. Teaflax his review is the world upside down: it's self-indulgent in being sarcastic to the ultimate, only busy with himself to provoke in a very poor way, in my opinion these kind of reviews should be deleted immediately
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 07:49 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ it's really well written
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Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives
The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of school violence, muder, torture and rape.
The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.
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Just because the album is about human nature and violence doesn't mean it's an endorsement of it.Frameshift's last album was a loose concept revolving around genetics,this one deals with human violence.
And how dare you try to censure an album that is here just because you object to the lyrical content !!!!!!! |
Freedom of speech can only go so far, Jody!!
I'm sure you object to the lyrical content too (at least I hope so  ) so you shouldn't have problems understanding what I'm getting at.
The preaching of hate contributes to the spreading of hatred.
In the case of Frameshift's album, I did not read texts where it condemned the practices of murder, rape, torture and school violence. It wasn't even informative or wraning of the dangers.
Hence it can only be an endorsement. And if it isn't exactly an endorsement per se, than it is a blatant and hateful exploitation of Columbine.
Political correctness is a value most conservateur Americans agree with, I think.
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 09:39 |
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Freedom of speech can only go so far, Jody!!
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Not agreeing with that statement Sean, according to tuxxie freedom of speech goes beyond any boundary. If up to me The freedom of speech idea would be expanded with a right to be heard amendement.
But that's not the topic, so carry on my wayward son.
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 10:17 |
Sean Trane wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
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^ it's really well written
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Actually I think this abject piece of crap ofd an album should get the boot from the Archives
The subject of the album is enough political incorrecteness to get eviction. I proposed either a retreat of the album or installing a warning that PA is against this despicable endorsement of school violence, muder, torture and rape.
The authors should be ashamed of their abjectness.
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Just because the album is about human nature and violence doesn't mean it's an endorsement of it.Frameshift's last album was a loose concept revolving around genetics,this one deals with human violence.
And how dare you try to censure an album that is here just because you object to the lyrical content !!!!!!! |
Freedom of speech can only go so far, Jody!!
I'm sure you object to the lyrical content too (at least I hope so  ) so you shouldn't have problems understanding what I'm getting at.
The preaching of hate contributes to the spreading of hatred.
In the case of Frameshift's album, I did not read texts where it condemned the practices of murder, rape, torture and school violence. It wasn't even informative or wraning of the dangers.
Hence it can only be an endorsement. And if it isn't exactly an endorsement per se, than it is a blatant and hateful exploitation of Columbine.
Political correctness is a value most conservateur Americans agree with, I think.
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Sean, just a follow up from our PM's. I followed the making of the Frameshift album through Henning Pauly's website and he knew it would be difficult to get the album's true point across. Of course he does not condone this type of violence. But the fact of the matter is that it does exist. He was trying to show where this type of behavior germinates and its progression from there. What drives these people to do what they do? He probably did little to answer the question or serve up possible solutions. Probably an album is a poor conduit to get this type of info into the public domain as the message can be easily misconstrued. This is especially true with a metal album, with the myriad of bands who celebrate the type of stuff in AOE. But I truly believe his intentions were honorable, not an endorsement of such acts. thanks
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 11:12 |
Excuse me, I don't want to interrupt the discussion but... What do you think about my reviews? Sean, Erik..., you are experimenced (trained) reviewers... tell me yours opinions. My english is too poor, but I'm interesting in the essence of the reviews.
Thanks! - Marcos
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Posted: April 21 2007 at 21:08 |
THRESHOLD — Dead Reckoning
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Threshold
(Milica Nikolic)
First I'd like to point out that Threshold album can minimum get 5 stars for no matter the
release their music presents the highest degree of composing responsibility and on
contrary to most of the bands it never just tells one story but directs to essential
values in our lives and plays a role of a medium which helps us ascend to the utmost
spiritual dimension. The intention artists have when starting to write a song never
actually matches the final product, but even further that effort to create something
lasting with putting one's inspiration into recognizable music form is never guaranteed
to be consumed by everyone as expected. So the influence of finalized song to an
individual has always surprising factor but what puts Threshold on a special place is that
effect of their songs has very certain result, which is entering new transcendental
domain. Rare are those who can beside musical pleasure or good performing offer
something more to us but Threshold does it with such a grace, for journey their songs
embark us on leads precisely to that inexplicable entity which we usually don't have
access to.
New album brings new elements to the stable concept of songwriting, with introducing
more progressive parts. The atmosphere this time is darker, sound clean and melodies
truly amazing. Karl managed again to deliver extremely emotional solos, Richard
showed us how many complex layers just one tune can be consisted of, Mac sang in so
various ways which just widened his singing abilities, Johanne proved to be one of the
best drummers of today and Steve filled all that with a great knowledge of jazz school.
Songs vary to the degree of their complexity but harmonies are simply wonderful, one
of the most original Threshold landmark is perfect balance between thresh riff and
absolute melodic chorus. That naturally makes it all harder to comprehend but that's
where the beauty and everlastingness lie, any of their album can't be judged without
many hours of listening.
Songs like Pilot in the Sky of Dreams and One Degree Down bond energy with intellect,
it's a real pleasure to be heard. Hollow is genuine combination of powerful structure and
tragic feelings, while extracts from Fighting for Breath and Disappear overtop any
melodic virtuosity. Lyrics once again very deep with thematically conceptual
background, flying as a profound symbol of searching and retaining the freedom. All in
all excellent album which marked another phase in Threshold's development and
refreshed their status by exploring new levels and experimenting with different ideas.
For those inpatient who criticize it just one note - it can be conceived only with full
devotion and after leaving other styles behind, crossing the threshold of unknown...
THRESHOLD — Dead Reckoning
Review by
Threshold
(Milica Nikolic)
First I'd like to point out that Threshold album can minimum get 5 stars for no matter the
release their music presents the highest degree of composing responsibility and on
contrary to most of the bands it never just tells one story but directs to essential
values in our lives and plays a role of a medium which helps us ascend to the utmost
spiritual dimension. The intention artists have when starting to write a song never
actually matches the final product, but even further that effort to create something
lasting with putting one's inspiration into recognizable music form is never guaranteed
to be consumed by everyone as expected. So the influence of finalized song to an
individual has always surprising factor but what puts Threshold on a special place is that
effect of their songs has very certain result, which is entering new transcendental
domain. Rare are those who can beside musical pleasure or good performing offer
something more to us but Threshold does it with such a grace, for journey their songs
embark us on leads precisely to that inexplicable entity which we usually don't have
access to.
New album brings new elements to the stable concept of songwriting, with introducing
more progressive parts. The atmosphere this time is darker, sound clean and melodies
truly amazing. Karl managed again to deliver extremely emotional solos, Richard
showed us how many complex layers just one tune can be consisted of, Mac sang in so
various ways which just widened his singing abilities, Johanne proved to be one of the
best drummers of today and Steve filled all that with a great knowledge of jazz school.
Songs vary to the degree of their complexity but harmonies are simply wonderful, one
of the most original Threshold landmark is perfect balance between thresh riff and
absolute melodic chorus. That naturally makes it all harder to comprehend but that's
where the beauty and everlastingness lie, any of their album can't be judged without
many hours of listening.
Songs like Pilot in the Sky of Dreams and One Degree Down bond energy with intellect,
it's a real pleasure to be heard. Hollow is genuine combination of powerful structure and
tragic feelings, while extracts from Fighting for Breath and Disappear overtop any
melodic virtuosity. Lyrics once again very deep with thematically conceptual
background, flying as a profound symbol of searching and retaining the freedom. All in
all excellent album which marked another phase in Threshold's development and
refreshed their status by exploring new levels and experimenting with different ideas.
For those inpatient who criticize it just one note - it can be conceived only with full
devotion and after leaving other styles behind, crossing the threshold of unknown...
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 07:14 |
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This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red.
MAGENTA — SevenReview by Teaflax (John Thelin)
If you've ever had the desperate need to hear a competent - if slightly unadventurous - Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister, you're definitely in luck here. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings. The lowest common denominator melodies are bad enough, but their flat, lifeless delivery is what really makes the album unlistenable.
Sadly, Magenta seem think that the vocal sections can - and maybe even should - sound like Light Rock, while instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. It's not an uncommon malaise in modern Prog, but it makes for a strange disconnect when the still fairly innovative (if somewhat derivative) sections sit right next to material that wouldn't be out of place in a hotel elevator.
Evidently, this style is very popular - in Prog terms at least. Maybe it's because it combines the familiar territory of the catchy, simple and repetitive with enough flash and technical prowess to let the listener feel superior to the unwashed masses. However, if you believe that Prog should transcend cliché in as many aspects as possible - not just arrangement, timbre and structure - Seven is unlikely to impress.
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Don't know the album, but judging this review I will not make efforts to listen it, but i don't think this review is bad, more likely the album isn't very good. |
Well you'd be wrong, the album is great.
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Posted: April 22 2007 at 11:34 |
Snow Dog wrote:
tuxon wrote:
chopper wrote:
This probably doesn't break any rules, I just think it's the most condescending review I've ever read and, as a fan of this CD, I find it quite offensive, especially the bit in red.
MAGENTA — SevenReview by Teaflax (John Thelin)
If you've ever had the desperate need to hear a competent - if slightly unadventurous - Prog band be fronted by Dolly Parton's less talented sister, you're definitely in luck here. There are solid instrumental sections and backings galore on Seven, but they really don't matter much when paired with a vocalist with such mainstream leanings. The lowest common denominator melodies are bad enough, but their flat, lifeless delivery is what really makes the album unlistenable.
Sadly, Magenta seem think that the vocal sections can - and maybe even should - sound like Light Rock, while instrumental sections are free to be more melodically and harmonically adventurous. It's not an uncommon malaise in modern Prog, but it makes for a strange disconnect when the still fairly innovative (if somewhat derivative) sections sit right next to material that wouldn't be out of place in a hotel elevator.
Evidently, this style is very popular - in Prog terms at least. Maybe it's because it combines the familiar territory of the catchy, simple and repetitive with enough flash and technical prowess to let the listener feel superior to the unwashed masses. However, if you believe that Prog should transcend cliché in as many aspects as possible - not just arrangement, timbre and structure - Seven is unlikely to impress.
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Don't know the album, but judging this review I will not make efforts to listen it, but i don't think this review is bad, more likely the album isn't very good. |
Well you'd be wrong, the album is great. |
I agree - it's a good album but that's not the point I was making. I have no problem if people don't like the album and I can quite understand people not liking Christina's vocals, but suggesting that people like Magenta as it makes them feel "superior" to these so-called "unwashed masses" is quite ridiculous.
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Posted: April 23 2007 at 14:33 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=119485
I'm glad he likes the album, but I just had a small problem here. Could this part be taken out or edited in some way:
The music is quite heavy, but not in a stupid way like Dream Theater, where all is about making as much noise as possible.
I just thought it wasn't necessary to add in a bashing comment about another band. I know it's just a little thing, but it still bothers me a bit.
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I couldn't agree more... that shot against DT seems to me like he's trying to sound smarter than he is, as it's uncalled for, and has nothing to do with the review, ehich is nothing great by any means but which otherwise is harmless.
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Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:04 |
I really hate this petty sort of thing.
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Posted: April 24 2007 at 23:05 |
I'd like to move for this review to be deleted. Between it being the first review for an album that will not be released until next month, the reviewer admitting that he reviews after a single listen ("the first 20 seconds tell me all I need to know", to paraphrase his own words), and his review history being packed with first-impression reviews of unreleased albums, yet having no credentials or any other indication of being a legitimate reviewer entitled to promo copies, I see no reason for this review to be up, unfairly influencing curious readers. Yes, that was a HUGE sentence, I know  That, and his review doesn't match up with the album
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 03:57 |
Usually not the type to reprt reviews, but this one is worth a laugh!!
FAR EAST FAMILY BAND — NipponjinReview by soundsweird PROG REVIEWER
This is monumetal record back in PragueRock days of Seventease (I was their!). If you like Music, this LP blows aweigh. Every thing ellise. Sounds just almost like Pink Lfoyd, yess and Genocis, & Moudy Blouse, too. In other worlds, much original. Keybored whizerd Kitaro is masterminding yours or my favorete synth chops and keybord noodles, Just like his fabulus solo carear mattereal (derivative, simplistic and sterile). No personalitie, but who kneads it, if you can make lots of bread selling pail imitaters?! I baut a lot of LP's back then and was burnt offening. This one Big Burner. Sadistic Mika Band's "Black Ship" only good Japanese Praguerock album I'have herd. If you bye this, you've gotting to much (rising) sun.... No pu nintendoed!
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 12:22 |
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=118637Has this been reported yet? I don't think that any musician should be insulted like that (being called an idiot several times) in a review.
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 12:51 |
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You would think a reviewer that is held in such high esteem here could express his displeasure and dislike of the album without peppering words like crap and idiot,etc. all through the review...........
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Ok, I'll PM the culprit to see if he can make alterations.  
But the derogatory remarks are aimed at Seb Bach (who was a hired hand), even if the project leaders are not spared. |
He's still a human being.
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 14:21 |
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There's a discussion, where's the action??  
I'll write a review as that one about Sigur Ros and let's see how long it lasts online... 
It's ONE out of 1900! Is it so much of a big deal ? 
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Posted: April 25 2007 at 17:45 |
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Yep, there's a discussion about that review running presently...  |
There's a discussion, where's the action??  
I'll write a review as that one about Sigur Ros and let's see how long it lasts online... 
It's ONE out of 1900! Is it so much of a big deal ?  |
Sean Trane is able to edit his own reviews... give him time for action. 
In your case, I know what to do! 
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