The Shred Room II (with extra youth)

NaturalScience wrote: James wrote: Do check out Cartoon and Pocket Orchestra.  They're both excellent. Just ordered Cartoon.

Speaking of which, I'm also in contact with Scott Braziel.

So that makes means I'm in contact with three avant-prog musicians:

Geoff Leigh - Henry Cow
Scott Brazieal - Cartoon/PFS
Luciano Margorano - La 1919

And I'm friends on Facebook with:

Elaine di Falco - Caveman Shoescore/Hughscore
Dave Kerman

Songs for Gay Dogs? 

MovingPictures07 wrote: Songs for Gay Dogs?

I don't have that one, alas.  I have a different Paddy Roberts album.  It's listed on my RYM account.

James wrote: NaturalScience wrote: James wrote: Do check out Cartoon and Pocket Orchestra.  They're both excellent. Just ordered Cartoon.  Speaking of which, I'm also in contact with Scott Braziel. So that makes means I'm in contact with three avant-prog musicians: Geoff Leigh - Henry Cow Scott Brazieal - Cartoon/PFS Luciano Margorano - La 1919 And I'm friends on Facebook with: Elaine di Falco - Caveman Shoescore/Hughscore Dave Kerman

Can you ask Geoff when the bloody hell the boxset is coming out? 

James wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: King By-Tor wrote: me too - but some fans piss me off  - turns me off to the music they listen to. Yeah, I know what you mean, but I never let people keep me from exploring something I'd otherwise be missing out on. The music is to be judged for the music, despite if anyone else listens to them or not and what their opinions are. Oh I don't know... my mate Mark is a pretty convincing reason not to like Porcupine Tree.

I'm a pretty convincing reason not to like Henry Cow, for people who don't, so there you go.





Edited by MovingPictures07 - January 21 2009 at 15:56

NaturalScience wrote: James wrote: NaturalScience wrote: James wrote: Do check out Cartoon and Pocket Orchestra.  They're both excellent. Just ordered Cartoon.  Speaking of which, I'm also in contact with Scott Braziel. So that makes means I'm in contact with three avant-prog musicians: Geoff Leigh - Henry Cow Scott Brazieal - Cartoon/PFS Luciano Margorano - La 1919 And I'm friends on Facebook with: Elaine di Falco - Caveman Shoescore/Hughscore Dave Kerman Can you ask Geoff when the bloody hell the boxset is coming out?

It's not out yet? Well, that's good news for me.

James wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: James wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: King By-Tor wrote: me too - but some fans piss me off  - turns me off to the music they listen to. Yeah, I know what you mean, but I never let people keep me from exploring something I'd otherwise be missing out on. The music is to be judged for the music, despite if anyone else listens to them or not and what their opinions are. Oh I don't know... my mate Mark is a pretty convincing reason not to like Porcupine Tree. I'm a pretty convincing reason not to like Henry Cow, for people who don't, so there you go. Yes and luckily for me I listened to them before I knew you.

It wouldn't have mattered; they're too RIO for you to ever have NOT listened to them and enjoyed it.

MovingPictures07 wrote: King By-Tor wrote: me too - but some fans piss me off  - turns me off to the music they listen to. Yeah, I know what you mean, but I never let people keep me from exploring something I'd otherwise be missing out on. The music is to be judged for the music, despite if anyone else listens to them or not and what their opinions are.

Yes, but after hearing a lot of "Kayo Dot is the most innovative group of motherf**kers and is far superior in every way to that bloody awful Canadian group Rush and their ilk" and then buying the album with high expectations only to hear an hour+ of minimalistic, elitist Tony Driver w**kery makes me think that somehow, the avant-kids and I don't have nearly the same tastes. I try not to bash their bands (although I inevitably do since whenever someone says "Kayo Dot" I go on the same kind of killing spree as though someone had said "children" to a pedophile in the movie "Children Of Men"), but they seem to have no trouble getting off to calling melodic and even slightly "mainstream" bands a bunch of trash while defending their 'obscure' drabble to the very end simply because "it isn't understood".

King By-Tor wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: King By-Tor wrote: me too - but some fans piss me off  - turns me off to the music they listen to. Yeah, I know what you mean, but I never let people keep me from exploring something I'd otherwise be missing out on. The music is to be judged for the music, despite if anyone else listens to them or not and what their opinions are. Yes, but after hearing a lot of "Kayo Dot is the most innovative group of motherf**kers and is far superior in every way to that bloody awful Canadian group Rush and their ilk" and then buying the album with high expectations only to hear an hour+ of minimalistic, elitist Tony Driver w**kery makes me think that somehow, the avant-kids and I don't have nearly the same tastes. I try not to bash their bands (although I inevitably do since whenever someone says "Kayo Dot" I go on the same kind of killing spree as though someone had said "children" to a pedophile in the movie "Children Of Men"), but they seem to have no trouble getting off to calling melodic and even slightly "mainstream" bands a bunch of trash while defending their 'obscure' drabble to the very end simply because "it isn't understood".

Understandable, but I think you have to be careful about taking "sides" in a field of play like that, especially because it's really easy to do.

I felt the same way 3 years ago, but with time and increasingly open musical frontiers, I have learned to love avant and obscure bands just as much as the more popular ones that became my first musical loves. I think letting people's attitudes or a bad experience getting in the way with enjoying the music and keeping an open mind is what leads to something that many prog fans don't like in the first place: stereotyping and not really judging the music for what it is, and most importantly, not giving it the full mental activity or analyzation that would be given to a different, more popular album.

I can see both sides of the argument here, but the best solution is to sit back and observe it, rather than participating and losing out on the benefits to someone who has access to both points of view uncovers.

Even if you never like many avant bands that much, the outsider's perspective is one that many of us are already familiar with to a general extent (which is why we're here), yet people tend to fall back into ways of categorization in order to pigeonhole bands, sub-genres, or musicians without really getting to judge them properly.

Nonetheless, I understand your frustration at that argument, and I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like Kayo Dot at all. I have yet to hear them still, but it should just be a matter of time.

King By-Tor wrote: I wouldn't make a big deal about Kayo Dot if the avant-crowd (the elitist ones, anyways) would just SHUT THEIR f**kING TRAPS about the bands that normal people like. Oh no, they're not dissonant and weird - who gives a damn!? People listen to that because they enjoy it - not to inflict pain on the subgenres which are more obscure. *mumble grumble grumble* I can only laugh at James jokingly saying "Rush is terrible" so many times before I have to resist the urge to buy a plane ticket and stab his eyes out with a Screwdriver. There's a reason why Scott barely visits his own thread anymore.

People are allowed to have their opinions; I never let it get to me. Besides, you're not the one missing out if they're closed-minded, right?