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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:09
Without substance?
I will discuss evolutionary theory in more depth that you can, oh wait, I already have.
I have resisted quoting other sacred texts from other religions or the scholarly work of those who study them as you will immediately dismiss them, regardless of content.
You, on the other hand, claim all sorts of things about Christianity and science without any backup except videos from Dawkins.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
So you're either not taking this whole thing seriously, or even after all these pages of discussion you still don't have the slightest clue about what Atheism is about.
I repeat:
Epignosis wrote:
You are one of the worst "bifurcators" I have ever encountered.
I'm either
1. Taking this whole thing seriously, or
2. I don't have the slightest clue what Atheism is about.
There's no possibility that I can't be completely serious while making a joke from time to time (hence the emoticon with the tongue).
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:12
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Negoba wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Negoba wrote:
If you choose to say "That stuff is not for me," that's your choice. To then go on and say that religion is valueless or destructive for everyone is beyond your perogative.
I say that religion is false ... it is a delusion. It's certainly my prerogative to say that, in a society that values freedom of speech. If you think that religion is not false, and not a delusion, that's your prerogative ... but in return I can present some inconsistencies in the teachings of that religion. You can either ignore them or try to refute them, but merely repeating the religious teachings or ponderings about the nature of subjectivity is not going to impress me.
You don't understand religion where I understand science better than you do. That's the difference.
You understand a lot about making bold claims that lack any substance.
First... if somebdoy tell you that your mother wasn't perfect and that she had some issues, you would not stop loving her for that right...??? second, if you find inconsistences, many people do not find it like that and have explanations for those, but when somebody do that you proclaim that is defensive... you use a lot your predjuice about everybodies ideas and then when somebody is against your thoughts you said we are the ones who not get the idea... circular thoughts on you too...
and you have the soul of a troll.. by the way...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:18
One of the beliefs of the New Atheism is not only that Divinity does not exist but that all religion is a malevolent force on human life. One of their purposes is to try to do away with religion completely.
Unfortunately, like Mike, they have not taken the time to study religion in the depth that most of us, by default, have already studied science.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:22
Epignosis wrote:
There's no possibility that I can't be completely serious while making a joke from time to time (hence the emoticon with the tongue).
I am now officially bored with you.
I'm bored too, but that was to be expected. The thread turned out precisely like I thought it would. I never had the illusion of making some sort of progress ... the religious guys will not stop believing, and the rational guys will not stop thinking rationally. Well, maybe one in a thousand people will be encouraged to rely a bit more on obvious evidence than on nebulous, antiquated teachings ... then the whole argument would absolutely be worth the effort.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:25
Negoba wrote:
One of the beliefs of the New Atheism is not only that Divinity does not exist but that all religion is a malevolent force on human life. One of their purposes is to try to do away with religion completely.
That's absolutely correct.
Negoba wrote:
Unfortunately, like Mike, they have not taken the time to study religion in the depth that most of us, by default, have already studied science.
I don't need to study in-depth a concept which shows serious flaws right from the start, and only tries to explain these flaws with concepts that are even more flawed. Am I the only one who sees some kind of connection between flat earth and walking on water?
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:34
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Negoba wrote:
One of the beliefs of the New Atheism is not only that Divinity does not exist but that all religion is a malevolent force on human life. One of their purposes is to try to do away with religion completely.
That's absolutely correct.
Negoba wrote:
Unfortunately, like Mike, they have not taken the time to study religion in the depth that most of us, by default, have already studied science.
I don't need to study in-depth a concept which shows serious flaws right from the start, and only tries to explain these flaws with concepts that are even more flawed. Am I the only one who sees some kind of connection between flat earth and walking on water?
No, I'm right there with ya, Mike.
As for doing away with religion, Jay . . . I really don't know where I stand on it. I'll tell you one thing, though . . . there have been much more religious madmen than atheist ones causing trouble in the world.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:37
. . . However, I don't think it's the religion itself that is the problem, it's the crazy people who use it as an excuse to do evil things. They would have found a way even if Christianity didn't exist.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:38
^^^ exactly ... the popes, to begin with.
BTW: I don't think that religions should be abolished or anything. People can really only become Atheists by their own choice, so it will be a very gradual change - especially in the USA. There the first milestone would be to achieve true separation of church and state, and establishing the fact that Atheists are not automatically bad persons.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - December 03 2009 at 16:38
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:42
p0mt3 wrote:
. . . However, I don't think it's the religion itself that is the problem, it's the crazy people who use it as an excuse to do evil things. They would have found a way even if Christianity didn't exist.
Some of them, surely. But some people were doing bad things not only in the name of religion, but they really believed in it. That's a common pattern in all religions, even Buddhism.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:52
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Negoba wrote:
One of the beliefs of the New Atheism is not only that Divinity does not exist but that all religion is a malevolent force on human life. One of their purposes is to try to do away with religion completely.
That's absolutely correct.
Negoba wrote:
Unfortunately, like Mike, they have not taken the time to study religion in the depth that most of us, by default, have already studied science.
I don't need to study in-depth a concept which shows serious flaws right from the start, and only tries to explain these flaws with concepts that are even more flawed. Am I the only one who sees some kind of connection between flat earth and walking on water?
Go read the Tao Te Ching and finally get it through your head that there's more to religion than what you were taught when you were 7 years old.
And you still haven't wrapped your brain around the fact that someone with more scientific understanding than yourself analytically chooses not to worship at its altar.
Edited by Negoba - December 03 2009 at 16:54
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:55
Negoba wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Negoba wrote:
One of the beliefs of the New Atheism is not only that Divinity does not exist but that all religion is a malevolent force on human life. One of their purposes is to try to do away with religion completely.
That's absolutely correct.
Negoba wrote:
Unfortunately, like Mike, they have not taken the time to study religion in the depth that most of us, by default, have already studied science.
I don't need to study in-depth a concept which shows serious flaws right from the start, and only tries to explain these flaws with concepts that are even more flawed. Am I the only one who sees some kind of connection between flat earth and walking on water?
Go read the Tao Te Ching and finally get it through your head that there's more to religion than what you were taught when you were 7 years old.
And you still haven't wrapped your brain around the fact that someone with more scientific understanding than yourself analytically chooses not to worship at its altar.
Yeah! And then go read Tic Tac Toe! Don't you know that far east philosophy is the answer to life???
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