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^ Thanks, Julien, you saved us more weekends than we could imagine.

I'll do what I can (already handled one album), probably the guys would like to help too.
I'll mark handled albums in your previous post with strikethrough font. 

Let's leave albums with empty (or Name / guitars) line-ups for later (or forever), because I see that albums with empty track lists don't have line-up info either.
But to search for line-ups of almost 3000 albums is in my opinion too much, we're not slaves here. Smile Those who are interested will find info by themselves, the rest don't care I think.


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Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

About http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6892 maybe the NOTE could be clearer, or less "agressive". What do you think?
In my opinion it's quite polite because it was enough to change the initial album title to "Still [aka Stillusion]" instead of adding one more album. Smile Though I don't mind if you'd like to correct the NOTE.

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

And to answer your question about my tool being able to detect fields with empty lines: sure it can! We call it "white space".
No, I didn't mean white spaces, I mean carriage return symbols, for example, here there are empty lines without white spaces between Start and End:
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

But to prevent doible work on the same albums we need to somehow share them, i.e. to decide who handles what. Perhaps David and Mayer would like to participate too.

Yeah, I'll chip in with a few:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=163
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2693
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7253
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7255
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7256
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7843
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9856
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13971
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13972
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13973

I'll look at the first seven of those for starters and post what I find here.

Bellaphon's 'Labyrinth' (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=163) was just a 7", 33 ⅓ RPM, Single Sided Flexi-disc housed in a fold-out paper sleeve, of duration 7:16, taken from the album 'Firefly', and recorded at Mu Studio, Kyoto, in April 1985, so that one's easy to fix: See https://www.discogs.com/Bellaphon-Labyrinth/release/5001730 for the info, and https://open.spotify.com/album/0pJMClBAeQItIr5mwybJsr or https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgQ-Nz3_Xc for the time.

I'll have a look at the other six tomorrow - it's way past my bedtime here in UK! Pinch LOL
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^ Thanks, David, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=163 done (and marked).

With minor changes - it's not taken from the album 'Firefly', the song appeared on later "Firefly" CDs as a bonus track.


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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=163
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2693
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7253
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7255
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7256
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7843
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9856
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13971
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13972
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13973

I'll look at the first seven of those for starters and post what I find here.

Sorry, David, I've missed this and invaded part of your territory.
These ones fixed:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=163 (with your help)
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7253
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7255
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7256
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

And to answer your question about my tool being able to detect fields with empty lines: sure it can! We call it "white space".
No, I didn't mean white spaces, I mean carriage return symbols, for example, here there are empty lines without white spaces between Start and End:
Start







End
Don't worry, carriage returns count as "white space" as well...
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Thanks, David, http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=163 done (and marked).

With minor changes - it's not taken from the album 'Firefly', the song appeared on later "Firefly" CDs as a bonus track.
Ooops - sorry! I was almost falling asleep last night when I looked at that one, and did rush my post somewhat! Embarrassed I'll be a bit more careful when I type the info out for the remaining ones later on this evening! Smile
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1. Need Love (4:57)
2. Lord In The Country (4:30)
3. I Can't Make It Alone (4:45)
4. Street Walking Woman (6:00)
5. Shotgun (6:10)
6. Some Velvet Morning (7:34)
7. Where Is Happiness (6:59)

Total Time 40:55

According to discogs there were more releases by the Midi ‎label as MID 20 033, than there were as MID 0033, which is how we have it described at the moment: https://www.discogs.com/Vanilla-Fudge-Star-Collection/release/2034048 and https://www.discogs.com/master/view/278942. I don't know if this matters though.

NAP: Thanks, done.
Had to change the title and cover because we need to use the very first edition.
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1. Para Jofrey (8:05)
2. Crazy Countdown (5:55)
3. Smile (5:41)
4. Mata Meme (5:45)
5. Gemini (4:12)
6. Always Later (6:34)
7. Spain Mandala (5:01)

Total Time 41:13

Schneeball Records: LC 4553, Recorded May 1977, Remixed May 1978.

Discogs has release date as 1978, not 1977: https://www.discogs.com/Moira-Crazy-Countdown/release/3902351. RYM say 1977, with a reissue in 2014: https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/moira/crazy-countdown.p/, Proggnosis say 1978: https://www.proggnosis.com/Release/26722, the vids on YouTube all say 1977, and it's for sale on eBay as a 1978 release: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOIRA-Crazy-Countdown-78-ED1-Schneeball-w-INSERTS-MONSTER-PROG-JAZZ-KRAUTROCK-LP-/143638208179.

So take your pick lol! - I tend to favour 1978, but who knows for sure! LOL

NAP: Thanks, done.
I prefer 1978 too (it's mentioned somehow in the album inserts).
Added a note: "different sources give either 1978 or 1977 release year".
Also added info of 2014 reissue, but I'm not sure it really exists.


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1. Canto Alla Notte (3:55)
2. Quiete E Tumulto (2:12)
3. Danza Degli Oggetti Liberati (4:43)
4. Canto Incompiuto (4:09)
5. Vertigine (3:25)
6. Fase Dello Specchio (Duello) (3:47)
7. Canto Prima Dell'Alba (3:10)
8. Tics (Palude) (3:01)
9. Ritmo Alfa (Libirinto) - Live (7:27)
10. Canto A Un Dio Nascosto (3:37)

Total Time (Vinyl) 39:26

Bonus track on CD issue:
11. R.E.M. (11:26)

Total Time (CD) 50:52

Musicians and performers:

- Alfredo Tisocco / piano, synthesizers (Yamaha, Korg, Roland)
- Donella Del Monaco / vocals
- Vincenzo Caroli / flute
- Pieregidio Spiller / violin
- Manuela Rizzo / viola
- Alberto Brendolin / cello
- Toni Lee / guitar
- Gianfranco Spigolon Maneguzzo / double-bass
- Saverio Tasca / percussion

LP: Artis Records ‎– ARLP 006 (1989)
CD: Artis Records ‎– ARCD 011 (1989)
Recorded at Andromeda Studio, Mogliano Veneto.

Track 11 is a bonus track (or "Extra Tracks" as it states on the CD release).
On the CD itself, "Vertigine" and "Fase Dello Specchio" are both credited as track 5, and there aren't any bracketed subtitles on "Fase Dello Specchio", "Tics" and "Ritmo Alfa" tracks. See: https://www.discogs.com/Opus-Avantra-Strata/release/2628941 (LP) and https://www.discogs.com/Opus-Avantra-Strata/release/1917473 (CD)

NAP: Thanks, done.
If you don't mind, let's skip this: "On the CD itself, "Vertigine" and "Fase Dello Specchio" are both credited as track 5, and there aren't any bracketed subtitles on "Fase Dello Specchio", "Tics" and "Ritmo Alfa" tracks". Because even I struggle to get into these details. Smile


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I think these both need deleting - they are compilations of music by various artists, with only a single track by Peter M featured on each.

The remaining tracks on these two albums are probably nothing to do with prog in any form.
Discogs says :
Genre: Electronic, Rock, Pop
Style: New Wave, Lo-Fi, Electro, Experimental

I reckon they've just been added in error.
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^ Thanks, I'll ask admins to delete them. Marked them in the list as "to be deleted".

Looks like they were added by the artist himself, but it doesn't matter.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:


1. Para Jofrey (8:05)
2. Crazy Countdown (5:55)
3. Smile (5:41)
4. Mata Meme (5:45)
5. Gemini (4:12)
6. Always Later (6:34)
7. Spain Mandala (5:01)

Total Time 41:13

Schneeball Records: LC 4553, Recorded May 1977, Remixed May 1978.

Discogs has release date as 1978, not 1977: https://www.discogs.com/Moira-Crazy-Countdown/release/3902351. RYM say 1977, with a reissue in 2014: https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/moira/crazy-countdown.p/, Proggnosis say 1978: https://www.proggnosis.com/Release/26722, the vids on YouTube all say 1977, and it's for sale on eBay as a 1978 release: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MOIRA-Crazy-Countdown-78-ED1-Schneeball-w-INSERTS-MONSTER-PROG-JAZZ-KRAUTROCK-LP-/143638208179.

So take your pick lol! - I tend to favour 1978, but who knows for sure! LOL

NAP: Thanks, done.
I prefer 1978 too (it's mentioned somehow in the album inserts).
Added a note: "different sources give either 1978 or 1977 release year".
Also added info of 2014 reissue, but I'm not sure it really exists.
I'm not sure that the 2014 reissue actually exists either.

The CRACK IN THE COSMIC EGG website suggests that a 1978 album was re-issued in 2014 by Schneeball, but doesn't specify the title of it, also saying that Crazy Countdown was a 1977 album: http://ultimathulerecords.com/krautrockers.html#:~:text=Almost%20a%20supergroup.
The cdreissuewishlist website also has it as a 1977 release: http://cdreissuewishlist.blogspot.com/2009/08/moira-germany.html. It doesn't mention a 2014 release anywhere in its write up though, and seems to have done some pretty thorough research on the matter.

The biography on our main page for Moira, written by Lise (HIBOU), CANADA states:

If ever you come across their first album titled "Crazy Countdown" (1978), consider yourself among the lucky few as it has long been out of print, although its title track can be still be found on a 1997 Schneeball double-disc compilation CD titled "Ein Komet ist ein schmutziger Schneeball", so he too goes for 1978 as the release year.

I guess the mystery of which is actually correct will never be solved. LOL

NAP: 
1. David, if you're not sure about 2014 release, I'll delete it. It's new but, no offers or even pictures on the web. If it existed it could be found somewhere, with all these "180 gram audiophile vinyl, half speed, bla-bla-bla". OK?

2. I have to disappoint you - when I changed the album year to 1978 I changed it in the bio too. Smile
Added the band's photo and a link to a more or less suitable site as well.


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NAP: Thanks, done.
If you don't mind, let's skip this: "On the CD itself, "Vertigine" and "Fase Dello Specchio" are both credited as track 5, and there aren't any bracketed subtitles on "Fase Dello Specchio", "Tics" and "Ritmo Alfa" tracks". Because even I struggle to get into these details. Smile
Agreed. I just copied that bit from discogs because it was there! In future I'll leave out any somewhat irrelevant info like that from my actual post, and just give you the link to the source, where you can browse for any little extra bits of info that you feel might be worth adding. Smile
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I'm happy to work my way down the block of 10 remaining albums near the top of the strikethrough list over the next couple of days if you like:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19135
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19136
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19204
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20413
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=21775
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=22816
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24722
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24723
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24724
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=24725

Maybe you and any other helpers you have recruited could work your way up from the bottom to avoid us duplicating our efforts?

Edit: Ah, it looks like you're working your way down from that block of 10 I just posted, which will have exactly the same effect. Smile


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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

1. David, if you're not sure about 2014 release, I'll delete it. It's new but, no offers or even pictures on the web. If it existed it could be found somewhere, with all these "180 gram audiophile vinyl, half speed, bla-bla-bla". OK?
Yes, I reckon it's probably best not to mention a release for which we have no definite evidence that it actually exists.

NAP: Thanks, deleted.


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1. Overture (3:17)
2. On The Run (4:47)
3. Nuclear Sun (4:37)
4. Aftermath Of A Pale Horse (4:53)
5. The Sabbath Maker (5:51)
6. Hassan I Sabbah (5:34)
7. Kairos (9:52)
8. Welcome To The Future (2:38)

Total Time 41:29


ArcMet Music, Afr 200-2
Live at Verbfest, Middletown, Sept. 08, 2001

Note: I can't confirm that the vocalist that we currently have listed in the credits (Andrea Aguila) actually performed anywhere on this recording. The band's official website (https://architecturalmetaphorblog.wordpress.com/) says this:

"2000 saw the exit of Deb Young and her replacement Pat ‘Murph’ Murphy of Dinosaur Jr fame enter the band. Still a trio, the band’s sound changed to an instrumental space rock assault. Murph’s powerful drumming gave the band a new found musical energy. This was documented on the live album Other Music  recorded at a festival in September 2001."

The album is on YouTube, and I'm listening now...It certainly sounds instrumental to me!
A vocalist named Andrea Aguayo joined the band in 2005, well after this album was recorded, and she didn't feature on any albums until they released 'Everything You Know Is Wrong' as a quartet in 2013, so this entry in for Andrea Aguila in the credits is surely wrong.

Note: Our existing link for their official website is as dead as a dodo. It needs replacing with the link I gave above.

Edit: The band's official 'discography' page confirms the line up for 'Other Music' as:

- Paul Eggleston / synths, samples, voice
- Greg Kozlowski / guitar, effects
- Pat Murphy / drums



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^ Thanks, done, without Andrea and including the link to new website.

By the way, do you hear at least voices on the record?
Both Discogs and our page read: - Paul Eggleston / synths, sampler, vocals
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1. Overture 1369
2. Sur le Tour
3. The Maker
4. For a Few Moments
5. Echoes
6. Kairos


Sorry, I can't find any timings anywhere, and I searched for quite a while. All I can find out is that there are indeed 4 unreleased tracks, a cover of "Kairos" from the 1997 'Creature Of The Velvet Void' CD, and a 23 minute cover of Pink Floyd's "Echoes": http://www.aural-innovations.com/issues/issue16/archmet3.html. Ouch

According to their official website, the line up in 2000 when they recorded 'Viva' was the same as for the 2004 'Other Music' album (which was actually performed in 2001), though discogs doesn't mention the line up on its page for 'Viva'. No major changes needed on our page for the album there then, but I'd be tempted to substitute 'voice' for 'vocals' on Paul Eggleston's entry. Smile

That's the best I can do at the moment I'm afraid.

Edit: I'm finishing off for the night now, & will carry on with the other 8 tomorrow.

NAP: Thanks, partly done.
1. I've found a couple of track times here.
2. The article you refer reads:
""Sur Le Tour" begins with a buildup of rumbling tripped out space guitar efx against a dark keyboard backdrop. .... The nearly 9 minute track includes a taste of Deb Young's haunting vocals though it's mostly instrumental."
Not clear whether Deb Young sings on the album or "a taste" is only a metaphor and actually he's not there.
3. Is "Echoes" an instrumental version? 
Thus at the moment it's not clear 'voice' or 'vocals' 


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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Thanks, done, without Andrea and including the link to new website.

By the way, do you hear at least voices on the record?
Both Discogs and our page read: - Paul Eggleston / synths, sampler, vocals
I definitely didn't hear any spoken or sung words, but that's not to say he didn't make some other sounds with his mouth which blended in with the rest of the music. The official website says - Paul Eggleston / synths, samples, voice so I'd be tempted to change it to that.

NAP: Thanks, "voiced".


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