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Petrovsk Mizinski 
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 Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:02 |
 June wrote:
Harald is still pretty common in Scandinavia.
Hughes (wait, what I am supposed to call you again?), I do hope you saw the Lego clips of the Holy Grail? |
Harry is my first name, Hughes is my last name. The story behind my user name is kinda dorky and guitar related (the JB4 part). Call me Harry I guess, Hughes is generally for people outside the chatrooms that don't know me.
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June
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:06 |
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so we'd be speaking Latin now if it weren't for Vikings? |
It's a little more complicated than that. I can't remember who (the Romans against the Celts?) invited the Angles, The Jutes and The Saxons to come over to Britain to help them in their fight... then these guys decided they would stay, which led to Old English. I think the Anglo-Saxons were pretty much established by the 6th century or so. The Vikings started to invaded a little later (7-8th century, I think). Then came good old Guillaume the Conqueror in good old 1066, and he's the one who brought french vocabulary in...
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:14 |
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Personally, I call him Huggies. or Hughes
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 <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR]
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:14 |
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Huggies!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:16 |
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But even after 1066, Latin was still used. In fact, many written texts still used Latin for a good 200+ years after the Norman invasion.
And there's still debate about when the Angles, Saxons and Jutes invaded Britain. Some scholars say it happened earlier.
There's a lot of ambiguity in the texts by Bede, Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth (to name just three). There's no real proof of the exact time when Horsa and Hengest first invaded the south coast of Britain.
However, there is archaeological proof of the invasion.
Edited by James - December 15 2008 at 19:18
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:18 |
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I call you Huggles.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:20 |
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James, you've given me a rather large selection of nicknames over the months.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:21 |
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I still like calling you Hamish.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:23 |
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I like Hamish too.. it's better than Habib
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June
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:24 |
James wrote:
But even after 1066, Latin was still used. In fact, many written texts still used Latin for a good 200+ years after the Norman invasion.
And there's still debate about when the Angles, Saxons and Jutes invaded Britain. Some scholars say it happened earlier.
There's a lot of ambiguity in the texts by Bede, Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth (to name just three). There's no real proof of the exact time when Horsa and Hengest first invaded the south coast of Britain.
However, there is archaeological proof of the invasion.
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Yeah, I was just reading up on it to refresh my memory, and seems you're right about the invasion happening earlier. As for the use of Latin, well, I'm guessing that since it was the language of the Catholic church (ie, the educated people, and the class who wrote), it's pretty normal that it was still used. But I'm wondering how much the regular people used it. Perhaps it was the language of trade too, within Britain, since dialectical difference might have made communication difficult? If there were trades with Europe, well, maybe Latin would have been a safe bet too (except when the Viking did come, I suppose)
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June
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:25 |
Atavachron wrote:
I like Hamish too.. it's better than Habib |
I think Hamish is a pretty name too.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:30 |
Atavachron wrote:
I like Hamish too.. it's better than Habib
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I'd prefer Hamish to Habib too.
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:31 |
Alex is one of the clues on Jeopardy! tonight. 
Moving Pictures
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:37 |
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oh this Corte dei Miracoli is fantastic.. classic prog fans who avoid RPI don't know what they're missing
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:38 |
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Oh the commoners didn't speak Latin, they didn't even speak Old French that quickly. The Domesday Book of 1086 (20 years after invasion) show some land owners were still Anglo-Saxons. Many married into the Norman families that came over. It also depended on the area they lived in. Southern Britain would have adopted French quicker than anyone else because they were invaded first. The Welsh and Cornish also kept their Celtic languages and the Picts (who came from Scotland) also kept their pictish langiage for a while too.
However, eventually the French and Anglo-Saxon languages (with Scandinavian as well) formed into what is now English.
French never really did become that dominant really. There was no massive ethnic cleansing either, apparently.
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June
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:38 |
Jeopardy's on?
Let me see if I'm smart tonight...
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:40 |
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50,000 post James, sweet mother of pearl
BTW nice to meet you June
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:41 |
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When will Jeopardy be happening?
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:41 |
Atavachron wrote:
50,000 post James, sweet mother of pearl
BTW nice to meet you June
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You're 686 posts too late.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:43 |
I just passed Manwithhat in post count I must be the fastest poster in a 12 month period at PA ever perhaps. Am I?
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