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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 16:16
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Ban the burqa in NYC, give it a few years we might have an islamic version of Sex in the City on the Network to replace Bollywood

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Seriously putting a mosque up near Ground zero is nothing short of total stupidity and insensitivity.
What about flying airplanes over NYC? Isn't that equally stupid and insensitive?
Come on, Shields. One thing can't be avoided, transports millions (of all faiths), unless you want to turn NY into hermit town. The other one CAN ve avoided, just by choosig a different spot.

So your only defense of the action is on pragmatic grounds? I'll take that as a victory thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 16:19
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Exactly. I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed. People should be free to do it. But it's stupid and they should be ready for any consequences.

In a way, it's provocation.
Or it's people building in an area which is probably prime real estate.
Why do they need prime real estate for a community center I'm not sure. i guess plans for reselling the property are not what moves them.

Well T building a community center in Antarctica wouldn't make much sense, you know because there's no people there.

You generally would want to build that thing where there is a lot of people in the demographic you're catering to. Why wouldn't they want to build it where it can benefit the highest number of people most conveniently? 

Simple business ideas, not anything sinister.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 17:38
What victory Pat... What battle I would ask. I have said they just shouldn't build it there but they have the right to do so. In this case it's just my opinion. There is no constant contest between us (that sounded awkward though).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 18:58
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What victory Pat... What battle I would ask. I have said they just shouldn't build it there but they have the right to do so. In this case it's just my opinion. There is no constant contest between us (that sounded awkward though).

Battle is a harsh word, but we are debating presumably. 

We agree that they're within their rights to build there, but still disagree about whether it's a good idea. I find it comforting to know we can stand opposed to each other even when we agree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 19:00
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What victory Pat... What battle I would ask. I have said they just shouldn't build it there but they have the right to do so. In this case it's just my opinion. There is no constant contest between us (that sounded awkward though).

Battle is a harsh word, but we are debating presumably. 

We agree that they're within their rights to build there, but still disagree about whether it's a good idea. I find it comforting to know we can stand opposed to each other even when we agree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 19:15
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What victory Pat... What battle I would ask. I have said they just shouldn't build it there but they have the right to do so. In this case it's just my opinion. There is no constant contest between us (that sounded awkward though).

Battle is a harsh word, but we are debating presumably. 

We agree that they're within their rights to build there, but still disagree about whether it's a good idea. I find it comforting to know we can stand opposed to each other even when we agree.
You would have to be " Master" of the " Debate" team thenWink

That's debatable. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2010 at 19:15
Actually surprised it took this long to get to that whole mosque on Ground Zero thing.
Hate to be all libertarian about it....but even if it looks bad, really what right is there to deny it?
Oh I forgot every Muslim is a terrorist thats right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 07:24
^ Every Muslim who thinks that Muslims are superior to other people should be at odds with Libertarians (and vice versa).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 09:18
I agree and I thinkthey should all go out and drink BEER. And cheer up. And I think I am going to go out and drink a few beers myself because I miss my wife who dresses up like Lilly Munster on halloween.. Sexy. Sexy. Sexy lady.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 11:32
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What victory Pat... What battle I would ask. I have said they just shouldn't build it there but they have the right to do so. In this case it's just my opinion. There is no constant contest between us (that sounded awkward though).

Battle is a harsh word, but we are debating presumably. 

We agree that they're within their rights to build there, but still disagree about whether it's a good idea. I find it comforting to know we can stand opposed to each other even when we agree.

Ok. But why is it a good idea? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 14:58
I think that they should still drink more alcohol. That way they would go into a blackout and forget their bloody burqas at home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 16:04
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What victory Pat... What battle I would ask. I have said they just shouldn't build it there but they have the right to do so. In this case it's just my opinion. There is no constant contest between us (that sounded awkward though).

Battle is a harsh word, but we are debating presumably. 

We agree that they're within their rights to build there, but still disagree about whether it's a good idea. I find it comforting to know we can stand opposed to each other even when we agree.

Ok. But why is it a good idea? 


Because I'm assuming the demand for a Muslim center is high in the area. In which case, it's a good idea to meet people's demands most efficiently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 16:05
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Every Muslim who thinks that Muslims are superior to other people should be at odds with Libertarians (and vice versa).


Why?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 20:17
 
Is this thread some contest about being the most Political correct? Funny we must all be so tolerant against an untolerant religion.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 20:19
Yes we shouldn't allow people to exercise basic human freedoms guaranteed by our government because some other people in their religion are violent and intolerant 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 00:05
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


In a way, it's provocation.
How is it provocation? The people building the mosque didn't have anything to do with 9/11, and while I agree that there's something fundamentally wrong with Islam which inspires religious terrorism, it's not a damn Al-Qaeda summer camp. And yes, people have emotions, and so they are entitled to illogical emotional reactions. I'm also entitled to call those emotions stupid. I really do not care about the emotions of 9/11 families or NYC residents on this issue as their emotions are irrelevant.
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That's such an unbearably stupid comic that somehow still gets reposted everywhere. The Danish comics were intended to provoke them, it wasn't Muhammed with a damn smiley face, and oh hey that's a little bit of a racist caricature of a middle eastern man...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 03:21
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


In a way, it's provocation.
How is it provocation? The people building the mosque didn't have anything to do with 9/11, and while I agree that there's something fundamentally wrong with Islam which inspires religious terrorism, it's not a damn Al-Qaeda summer camp. And yes, people have emotions, and so they are entitled to illogical emotional reactions. I'm also entitled to call those emotions stupid. I really do not care about the emotions of 9/11 families or NYC residents on this issue as their emotions are irrelevant.
Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

 
That's such an unbearably stupid comic that somehow still gets reposted everywhere. The Danish comics were intended to provoke them, it wasn't Muhammed with a damn smiley face, and oh hey that's a little bit of a racist caricature of a middle eastern man...
 
As usual Henry, you got it mostly wrong.
 
First, I find this caricature above quite on the dot, despite the jews indeed acting out incorrectly. That caricature says what pôlitically correct people want to avoid saying.
 
These Danish caricatures (they're not cartoons) were asked by some rightist and religious medium-circulation chirstian newspaper to illustrate satyrically  an article about religious intolerance. Sure some were limit-provoking, but mainly thought-provoking, and deep down most of them hit it on the button (the truith hurts). The detractors of these drawings  went to court and lost. That's what the Danish courts decided, even in an appeal against the original decision. This would've been the end of the story, because this hadn't even made any noise outside Denmark.  If it wasn't for these fanatics detractors (in other words activists and hatemongers) wanting right beyond tolerable boundaries it is prtecisely these detractors that toured the mis-east to show these caricatures and set the places on fire.
 
 
The provocation part came from Norway , when these drawings were published again in some religious-controlled publications. THIS time, it was on provocation grounds.
 
Remember the Norwegian and Danish embassies were also attacked by mostly arseholes who never even saw these caricatures (>>> there were fanatics controlling the mobs), but somehow and strangely enough, it is mostly Denmark's embassies that burned, despite the pure provocation came from Norway.
 
So if I were the Muslims, instead of burning embassies, I'd have shut my mouth and rather be thought a tolerant fool, than go on a rampage and prove these caricatures right.
 
As far as I am concerned, these activists living in Denmark should've been stripped of their Danish nationality by doing anti-Danish activities (this is close to terrorism) . If you can't accept the justice decisions of your country and go around setting fire against its institutions(embassies are institution of the state), you should at least leave the country and give up its nationality. Nothing stops these extremists to go live in countries that accept these religious precepts.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 04:09
I don't think you can get any more racist than a fundamentalist muslim
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 06:04
Originally posted by Zargus Zargus wrote:

Funny we must all be so tolerant against an untolerant religion


Just a small point here - Islam as a religion is not intolerant, Judaism as a religion is not intolerant, Christianity as a religion is not intolerant etc etc

All religions/faiths have their fundamentalists/extremists, call them what you will, who interpret their particular scripture as they see fit in order to fit with their world view. Unfortunately your average member of a religion is not newsworthy & the only time we will see the religious in the news media is in an extremist/intolerant/newsworthy light.

Please beware of generalisations.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 10:21
^ Islam as a religion is as intolerant as you could get, since it contains specific instructions on how to subjugate infidels - and those are meant to be followed. Christianity is better in that regard, especially because the overwhelming majority of Christians today simply don't practice their faith anymore, or at least not to any significant extent. IMO this is due to an erosion of values rather than an evolution or modernization ... the Bible is the same as it was hundreds of years ago, Christians just ignore it as they please.

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