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Tony R
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Personal opinion time folks..
Yeah, I am eagerly awaiting your Rush reviews....bought a baseball bat just for that very job...
If all the reviews were similar in style they would quickly become redundant.I think Mickey's review is unusual, kinda similar in some ways to one of Cert's recent ones which in itself was different from the usual fare we get here.
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Atkingani
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An Italian lady told me me about the suffocating amount of letters received by Micky... I suppose they come from eager people, either to praise you or to beat you.
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Easy Livin
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I don't think it needs deleting Micky. I was jsut observing that you are in a minority not applying a rating which reflects your own opinion of the contents.
I can't think of anyone else who would give a 5 star review to an album he didn't like.
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andu
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But wouldn't that be consistent with giving a lower rating to an album you love, doesn't this logic go both ways? For example my highest possible rating for any Zeppelin album for this site would be a maximum 4 stars (provided the progressive excellence; only Houses of the Holy, Physical Graffiti and the live DVD would get the four stars), despite the fact any kilobyte of their official or unofficial discography is at least a 5 stars experience for me... On the other way round, there are albums that I would rate 3 stars If I were to only measure the pleasure they give me, but finally I'd give them one extra-star (or even two, maybe, but I can't remember any album right now for which I'd do this) because of what makes them
-masterpieces that I can't like, but can accept -highly influential from a historical perspective -essential definitions of the (sub)genre they represent. The "problem" with Micky's rating is the BIG difference between his own personal experience of the music and his objective thoughts on the albums musical and not only musical qualities. He went from one star to five stars. IMO, the rating guidelines (rate both music quality and progressiveness and also express by your rating the degree in which prog collections need that album) allow Micky's take on rating an album; the one star-five stars difference may rise doubts on his honesty, I think many people will think "he just did that to look open-minded in the eyes of prog-metal fans". Maybe he should explain more in detail why he thinks the album is a masterpiece of progressive metal, and If so then I think everything would be OK with everybody. |
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progismylife
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andu
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micky
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as I told Raff last year Bob... you'll never meet anyone else like me |
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Atkingani
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Eh, I told this to my wife... and she believed me!
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micky
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hahhahah and she believed me as well.... I don't think I've let her down either. oh yes.. back on topic.. Andu... I saw your post... I'll respond to it if you wish later, dinner is almost upon me, I don't review much and think there are bigger issues here than the eccentricities of my infrequent reviews... though I'm flattered you care Edited by micky - April 07 2007 at 12:55 |
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micky
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as promised.. my final thoughts on this review... you all I hope have better things to worry about... Prog-metal fans are under NO such illusion as to my open-mindedness.... nor have I given them any reason to.... As I stated in a PM to the reviews admin.... I was hard.. but fair... to give it one star based on what I .. a confirmed prog-metal hater would not be fair. I just don't get what it is about.. that doesn't take away from the perceived 'greatness' of the album for fans of the genre that should sum it up.... |
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billbuckner
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I don't really have a problem with rating it by historical value, but copy-paste reviewing is slightly lame.
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Easy Livin
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You told your wife about Micky, Guigo?
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Sean Trane
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This is a possibility for me. Butit hasn't happened yet.
Imagine an album that you hate Dark Side Of The Moon or LTIA or Foxtrot, but you know it is a cornerstone of an album in prog, something that almost anyone and everyone will like, but for some odd reason you don't. I can recommend albums I don't like to someone if I happen to have an info that someone is obviously unaware of.
I gave some recommendations of album I didn't like to a technofan because he wanted to discover the very early roots of his fave style. Among which were some of the least liked by me back then (Faust Tapes)
RAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some competition in the running
Guigo wants to get rid of someone I believe Edited by Sean Trane - April 09 2007 at 07:54 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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I just noticed that the DT review was written by Micky.
Believe me, I never saw the name of the author, I KNOW HOW MICKY THINKS IN THS ASPECT, HE CAN HONESTLY RATE AN ALBUM HE DISLIKES.
Normally contradictory reviews are written by lurkers or fanboys, so I never check the name of a review reported.
I thought it was a guy trying to create confusion, I may have my differences with the hahahaha guy, but I know his reviews are honest.
TO CAESAR WHAT BELONGS TO CAESAR.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 07 2007 at 17:36 |
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The T
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This is so ridiculous.... I'm the DT fanboy here, and, with the exception of the "acne" bit, I'm the only one that hasn't said anything against the review!!
What would you say if I had given Kayo Dot (sorry, it's my best possible example) 5 stars just because the Collaborators picked it as album of the year, but explained that to me it was worthy of one? Oh, my review would've gotten the axe treatment so swiftly, nobody would've even complained...
Yeah, right, this Clique thing is not good....
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Atkingani
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Me too... just like I told my wife (poor girl!!!).
I don't want to get rid of her, at least for a while....
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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The point iis not the rating T, you can give 10 stars if this is allowed, the problem is that it sounded contradictory, Knowing Micky has wrote it and despite my strong differemnces with him in some issues, I know he tried to make clear he doesn't like the album but he believes it deserves 5 stars.
It's his perspective and in his case I know he has listened the album, but wiythout that information it soubnded like a guy describing the album as an "F"and rating it with an "A+"
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 07 2007 at 20:10 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=22135
Not exactly much wrong with this, but a few things to note: Karl Jenkins was not on this record, so therefore his rating is most likely incorrect, because he believes he is. Also it is known when it was recorded, he should have done his research beforehand. Plus the review is a bit short and doesn't say much. Any ideas? Edited by Geck0 - April 09 2007 at 13:58 |
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The T
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Not only that, it doesn't say anything that demonstrates us he actually heard the record! Just a little imagination and you can write reviews for un-released albums without having even listened to them (as I proved with a DT review in this lounge a while ago).
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The T
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i have never heard music from that band, and yet I found the review somewhat useful.... at least it says something about production and there's thousand reviews out therevthat need to go first
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