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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 17:26
Originally posted by Prog 74 Prog 74 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Nosferatu 1922. 

Anything Hammer especially with Lee or Cushing. 

I love horror. (not stupid torture-porn like Saw or Hostel though). I have loved it since I was a very young child. My favorite character of all fiction characters is a horror character.  
Completely agree!  I would also include the Shining (which ironically Stephen King cannot stand) the Exorcist and the first Halloween movie.  But, I love those old Hammer films the best.  The first Halloween movie, although excellent, was unfortunately also the beginning of the cheesy slasher movies that would dominate the 80s.


Stephen King has a good reason to not stand the movie: the book is so much better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 18:08
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

"Body horror" is what I'm into.


You heard of Blind dates?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 18:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 18:43
^ That was a good one.

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

"Body horror" is what I'm into.


You heard of Blind dates?
This is the only close hit that I could find on IMDb.com as a horror film. Is that the one?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 19:12
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Evil Dead 1
Man, you amaze me. Stephen King's 'It' is also pretty good, but I suppose he doesn't always have a convincing ending (in this case, a monster spider....). I preferred Pennywise.........down here they all float......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2014 at 19:46
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ That was a good one.

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

"Body horror" is what I'm into.


You heard of Blind dates?
This is the only close hit that I could find on IMDb.com as a horror film. Is that the one?


Sorry, it was just a very lame joke, I wasn't referencing any movieWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 03:18
For pure wet horror I'd have to say Night of the Living Dead, for craft probably the first Alien.   Both the '56 and '78 versions of Body Snatchers are excellent, and Hannibal is superb.   I agree Shining is a great movie but it's almost too nightmarish for its own good, a bit over the top.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 03:30
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

For pure wet horror I'd have to say Night of the Living Dead, for craft probably the first Alien.   Both the '56 and '78 versions of Body Snatchers are excellent, and Hannibal is superb.   I agree Shining is a great movie but it's almost too nightmarish for its own good, a bit over the top.



Interesting and perceptive observation from the talkative pear certainly. I've always thought that if you take the sex and fantasy/nightmarish elements out of horror you're left with just some very unedifying forensics but yes, without a sufficient portion of balancing (and paradoxically shocking) reality, any horror movie quickly degenerates into a psychodrama where we become indifferent to the fate of the characters no matter how ingeniously their gory demise is presented by a director.


I also adored the first Alien movie but have never considered it a horror film (is that because my mind is swayed by the scifi setting?)


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How about 'Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes' (haha).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 03:50
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

For pure wet horror I'd have to say Night of the Living Dead, for craft probably the first Alien.   Both the '56 and '78 versions of Body Snatchers are excellent, and Hannibal is superb.   I agree Shining is a great movie but it's almost too nightmarish for its own good, a bit over the top.
Interesting and perceptive observation from the talkative pear certainly. I've always thought that if you take the sex and fantasy/nightmarish elements out of horror you're left with just some very unedifying forensics but yes, without a sufficient portion of balancing (and paradoxically shocking) reality, any horror movie quickly degenerates into a psychodrama where we become indifferent to the fate of the characters no matter how ingeniously their gory demise is presented by a director.


I also adored the first Alien movie but have never considered it a horror film (is that because my mind is swayed by the scifi setting?)

No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.

On the unedifying forensics, yes, personal jeopardy is at the heart of any horror and so I guess the key is disguising that cold reality of drama with new and fascinating premises.   Another thing I've noticed about horror in particular is the isolation factor:  The fewer people there are around who can help save you, the scarier it will be.   The more isolated, the more frightening.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 03:55
Blind Terror - Mia farrow ( 1971), scared the hell out of me when I was 9
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 04:13
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 
No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.

Alien is a monster movie in spite of its space setting, and given that the 2012 prequel is titled Prometheus, this puts in the same camp as Frankenstein.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 04:14
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

For pure wet horror I'd have to say Night of the Living Dead, for craft probably the first Alien.   Both the '56 and '78 versions of Body Snatchers are excellent, and Hannibal is superb.   I agree Shining is a great movie but it's almost too nightmarish for its own good, a bit over the top.
Interesting and perceptive observation from the talkative pear certainly. I've always thought that if you take the sex and fantasy/nightmarish elements out of horror you're left with just some very unedifying forensics but yes, without a sufficient portion of balancing (and paradoxically shocking) reality, any horror movie quickly degenerates into a psychodrama where we become indifferent to the fate of the characters no matter how ingeniously their gory demise is presented by a director.


I also adored the first Alien movie but have never considered it a horror film (is that because my mind is swayed by the scifi setting?)

No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.

On the unedifying forensics, yes, personal jeopardy is at the heart of any horror and so I guess the key is disguising that cold reality of drama with new and fascinating premises.   Another thing I've noticed about horror in particular is the isolation factor:  The fewer people there are around who can help save you, the scarier it will be.   The more isolated, the more frightening.



In Space No-one Can Hear You Scream etc yes, I'd never actually realised the isolation aspect until you mentioned it. Shame on me. Perhaps the one unfulfilled challenge left to Directors in the horror genre is to translate their oeuvre into the collective/communal realm? I'm thinking of the dystopian fantasies of Kafka, Orwell, Bradbury, Wyndham et al which unfortunately, all start to resemble politicised and wooden critiques of power structures if the sympathetic protagonist(s) is/are removed (take Josef K out of The Trial and you have a numbingly gauche 6th former anti establishment rant)

Just thought of Naked Lunch as a possible horror movie?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 04:23
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.
Alien is a monster movie in spite of its space setting, and given that the 2012 prequel is titled Prometheus, this puts in the same camp as Frankenstein.

Prometheus stunk;  pity, I love the first four (and Ridley Scott too), but I just don't know what that was.




Edited by Atavachron - April 12 2014 at 04:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 04:28
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

For pure wet horror I'd have to say Night of the Living Dead, for craft probably the first Alien.   Both the '56 and '78 versions of Body Snatchers are excellent, and Hannibal is superb.   I agree Shining is a great movie but it's almost too nightmarish for its own good, a bit over the top.
Interesting and perceptive observation from the talkative pear certainly. I've always thought that if you take the sex and fantasy/nightmarish elements out of horror you're left with just some very unedifying forensics but yes, without a sufficient portion of balancing (and paradoxically shocking) reality, any horror movie quickly degenerates into a psychodrama where we become indifferent to the fate of the characters no matter how ingeniously their gory demise is presented by a director.


I also adored the first Alien movie but have never considered it a horror film (is that because my mind is swayed by the scifi setting?)
No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.

On the unedifying forensics, yes, personal jeopardy is at the heart of any horror and so I guess the key is disguising that cold reality of drama with new and fascinating premises.   Another thing I've noticed about horror in particular is the isolation factor:  The fewer people there are around who can help save you, the scarier it will be.   The more isolated, the more frightening.
In Space No-one Can Hear You Scream etc yes, I'd never actually realised the isolation aspect until you mentioned it. Shame on me. Perhaps the one unfulfilled challenge left to Directors in the horror genre is to translate their oeuvre into the collective/communal realm? I'm thinking of the dystopian fantasies of Kafka, Orwell, Bradbury, Wyndham et al which unfortunately, all start to resemble politicised and wooden critiques of power structures if the sympathetic protagonist(s) is/are removed (take Josef K out of The Trial and you have a numbingly gauche 6th former anti establishment rant)

Just thought of Naked Lunch as a possible horror movie?

Yes that would be more of a challenge, certainly those authors can be horrific, and I'm also reminded of the recent Undead wave where there are so many zombies that you could have an army and still be in trouble.   Bu of course that tends not to be so scary, does it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 04:40
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

For pure wet horror I'd have to say Night of the Living Dead, for craft probably the first Alien.   Both the '56 and '78 versions of Body Snatchers are excellent, and Hannibal is superb.   I agree Shining is a great movie but it's almost too nightmarish for its own good, a bit over the top.
Interesting and perceptive observation from the talkative pear certainly. I've always thought that if you take the sex and fantasy/nightmarish elements out of horror you're left with just some very unedifying forensics but yes, without a sufficient portion of balancing (and paradoxically shocking) reality, any horror movie quickly degenerates into a psychodrama where we become indifferent to the fate of the characters no matter how ingeniously their gory demise is presented by a director.


I also adored the first Alien movie but have never considered it a horror film (is that because my mind is swayed by the scifi setting?)
No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.

On the unedifying forensics, yes, personal jeopardy is at the heart of any horror and so I guess the key is disguising that cold reality of drama with new and fascinating premises.   Another thing I've noticed about horror in particular is the isolation factor:  The fewer people there are around who can help save you, the scarier it will be.   The more isolated, the more frightening.
In Space No-one Can Hear You Scream etc yes, I'd never actually realised the isolation aspect until you mentioned it. Shame on me. Perhaps the one unfulfilled challenge left to Directors in the horror genre is to translate their oeuvre into the collective/communal realm? I'm thinking of the dystopian fantasies of Kafka, Orwell, Bradbury, Wyndham et al which unfortunately, all start to resemble politicised and wooden critiques of power structures if the sympathetic protagonist(s) is/are removed (take Josef K out of The Trial and you have a numbingly gauche 6th former anti establishment rant)

Just thought of Naked Lunch as a possible horror movie?

Yes that would be more of a challenge, certainly those authors can be horrific, and I'm also reminded of the recent Undead wave where there are so many zombies that you could have an army and still be in trouble.   Bu of course that tends not to be so scary, does it.



True, safety in numbers, lonely in a crowd: but imagine THREE Moshkitos on your sorry illiterate (having never met Aldous Huxley) ass. That's a veritable pant filler
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

No you're right it's sci-fi, I just like to fool myself into thinking it's horror for the fun of it.   Scared the hell out of me but then I was twelve.
Alien is a monster movie in spite of its space setting, and given that the 2012 prequel is titled Prometheus, this puts in the same camp as Frankenstein.

Prometheus stunk;  pity, I love the first four (and Ridley Scott too), but I just don't know what that was.


Prometheus was a real stinker that's for sure. It was a clumsy attempt to introduce the Promethean myth into the story-line that had up until then followed the Weyland Corporation = Dr Frankenstein tack. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2014 at 04:51
Always dug the whole Weyland-Yutani angle, so brilliantly real
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