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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2014 at 09:49
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Back in the day the first 2 Moody Blues and the first 2 Procol Harum lp's all had that proto prog thing going on...as well as the first Family lp...and Touch was one of my favorites also.
The Magnificent Moodies proto-prog? Really? Only Go Now stands out as being the embryonic beginning of the Moodies foray into Baroque Pop, the rest of the album is (as I recall) typical English Whiteboy R&B. 

I would also call Procol's first two albums Baroque Rock though they have one foot at least in Blues Rock territory on their first four albums. 

Good call on Family, they don't get enough shout-outs on this forum, a truly great band - In A Doll's House is also heavily laden with Baroque Rock. 

Baroque Pop/Rock is not Psychedelic Pop/Rock, though they are related, I would cite Baroque Pop/Rock as being the other ingredient that with Psych Pop/Rock and Jazz Rock that formed the basis for the emergent Progressive Rock back then. 
I ignored Go Now...I was referring to 'Days' as their first....bit of an omission there on my part..
I think Shine On and perhaps even the first by Procol is  proto-prog and baroque rock by..imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2014 at 09:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2014 at 21:37
The thing about psychedelic rock that makes it so interesting and proto-prog
is the sonic (sound texture) element of it.  You could say that this even bordered
on suggesting the avant-garde or "sound-art" type music, as it probably was the genre of the three
elements of proto-prog, said very correctly above, that added that aspect to
prog rock.  I very much like the idea of proto-prog being all three: psychedelic,
baroque, and jazz-rock.  

It's interesting that wider arrangements had already been
going on in "middle of the road" type music from the early 60s.  There are
many people today who collect these "anomalous" records from thrift shops,
so they are no longer completely obscure.  It would be interesting to hear 
what was happening before "Pet Sounds" hit the market. When you get
trained big band or orchestra musicians backing up pop singers, more than
the typical blues-scale stuff can happen. 

I know some German schlagel (spelling?) had some interesting
stuff going on.   I'm not sure the date it was happening, but it was
pop music with orchestration.  I guess back then it was a crossover between 
pop and opera/classical song structures, and symphonic arrangements.  
I don't know when Ina Martell's "Ich war allein" was released, but you 
can see that maybe the Beatles heard stuff like this and did Eleanor Rigby

If you also look at all the changes in some songs by singers in the Sinatra generation,
they were pop but sometimes complex. There may have been a progressive wing 
in the more popular music of the 20s and 30s.   Check out, "It Was a Very Good Year,"
by Sinatra. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2014 at 22:06
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Baroque, cocktail jazz, R&B and enigmatic (and at times, damn funny) drug-fueled lyrics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2014 at 22:46
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a little contemporary California psych;  Mammatus


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2014 at 02:42
Might be worth mentioning Vanilla Fudge. But not the second album (what a mess)....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2014 at 12:17
Lot of great late 60's psych prog out there..one of my favorite obscure lp's.
 
 
another favorite of mine..........
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2014 at 12:33

Sorry ...but there are so many of these obscure great tracks that I had to post a few more....

 
 
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