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Poll Question: What's really the rest album of year zero?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 07:56
I've only heard the Kraftwerk and the Schulze
both are awesome
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 11:47
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Hercules, how many of the albums in the list have you actually heard?
 
All but Archaia, Dionne Bregent, Lard Free, Artcane and Conventum, but mostly only once except Bowie, Univers Zero, Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh and VDGG. Heard those plenty but they're just not to my taste.
 


Okay, thanks for answering.  You've heard a lot of this.  Despite this covering a range of music I love, sharing similar tastes to the OP, and having got some recommendations from the OP in the past on ones here which gives me greater knowledge of the music, I haven't heard at  least two of these albums at all that I know of: The Francis Lai album and the Oriental Wind album.  And two of these albums are fairly recent additions to my collection: The Leprino and Clivage ones.

Your knowledge of progressive music under PA's umbrella that you don't care for is probably much better than my knowledge of music that I don't care for (say, my knowledge of Prog metal albums and Neo Prog is very limited, though I've sampled a fair amount).  That said, I didn't really get deeply into such stuff until this past decade.  Before that I only knew Gryphon, Focus, Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Camel, Rush and a few other pretty big names (plus various stuff in Prog Electronic and a little in JRF because I was into that before this big Prog phase). 

I did assume that you wouldn't have listened to more than perhaps a  few of these albums as most of these are not well-known.
 
I used to have a partner who was also a prog fanatic (he reviewed on this site) and who had tastes that overlapped with mine, but he also collected some obscure bands that I'd never heard of (or had heard but didn't like) and had a huge number (possibly over 2000) albums I didn't have as well as many I did. Sadly, he passed away fairly suddenly in Dec 2006 and I inherited his massive vinyl/CD collection. I listened to them all (which took almost 2 years) before selecting those I wished to keep (about 20%) and those I wished to dispose of. Many of those on this list were in there; usually one play told me what I needed to make a decision, but a few I kept for further listens. I do quite like some other albums by bands on this list (Bowie, Univers Zero, Kraftwerk) but I'm not really a big fan of any of them.
 
That's why I have heard a grotesquely large number of albums that I didn't buy myself and so actually didn't like when i came to hear them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 11:49
Can I have the ones you don't want?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 11:52
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


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Normal people?
The fact that the Eagles' Greatest Hits is among the best selling albums of all times shows that normal people (normal being defined as "in agreement with the majority") have terrible taste. I happen to agree with my friend that these albums will be considered more important than punk. Trans-Europe Express and Low practically have that distinction already.That being said, I don't dislike punk all that much and do find it enjoyable on occasion.


Well, I certainly agree about the Eagles..

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I don't! Clearly, I'm one of those "normal people" who likes utter crap because I have the first five Eagles albums (though I like the first three best) as well as loads by CSNY, Poco and the like.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 11:55
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Can I have the ones you don't want?
 
Sorry - long gone. (Though some are still available in the 2nd hand record shops in Leeds and York and some are in charity shops because noone wanted to buy them).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 13:34
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I haven't heard at  least two of these albums at all that I know of: The Francis Lai album and the Oriental Wind album.
That Francis lai album is included by mistake, really. My brain made it out to be Lucio Battisti's 1974 album Anima Latina. Don't know quite how I've managed to not notice until now. My intention was to keep the poll 100% PA-related material, and this is just a good soundtrack but nothing special. I'll replace it with that Bixio/Frizzi/Tempera album, although it wasn't released until 2006. A little late but the poll will look better that way. I'll give it my vote.

(Btw: have a look at a PM sent the 19th of july)


7 Note in Nero was released as a 7 inch vinyl in 1977, but I was referring to the Sette Note in Nero CD release in 2006.  I tend to note the recorded dates more than the release dates, but I should correct that in Frizzi's discography and then add the single.  Plus I neglected to list my second favourite Bixio/ Frizzi/ Tempera soundtrack in the discogarphy, Vai Gorilla.

Ah yes regarding the PM, that was negligent and forgetful of me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 13:47
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Hercules, how many of the albums in the list have you actually heard?
 
All but Archaia, Dionne Bregent, Lard Free, Artcane and Conventum, but mostly only once except Bowie, Univers Zero, Klaus Schulze, Popol Vuh and VDGG. Heard those plenty but they're just not to my taste.
 


Okay, thanks for answering.  You've heard a lot of this.  Despite this covering a range of music I love, sharing similar tastes to the OP, and having got some recommendations from the OP in the past on ones here which gives me greater knowledge of the music, I haven't heard at  least two of these albums at all that I know of: The Francis Lai album and the Oriental Wind album.  And two of these albums are fairly recent additions to my collection: The Leprino and Clivage ones.

Your knowledge of progressive music under PA's umbrella that you don't care for is probably much better than my knowledge of music that I don't care for (say, my knowledge of Prog metal albums and Neo Prog is very limited, though I've sampled a fair amount).  That said, I didn't really get deeply into such stuff until this past decade.  Before that I only knew Gryphon, Focus, Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Camel, Rush and a few other pretty big names (plus various stuff in Prog Electronic and a little in JRF because I was into that before this big Prog phase). 

I did assume that you wouldn't have listened to more than perhaps a  few of these albums as most of these are not well-known.
 
I used to have a partner who was also a prog fanatic (he reviewed on this site) and who had tastes that overlapped with mine, but he also collected some obscure bands that I'd never heard of (or had heard but didn't like) and had a huge number (possibly over 2000) albums I didn't have as well as many I did. Sadly, he passed away fairly suddenly in Dec 2006 and I inherited his massive vinyl/CD collection. I listened to them all (which took almost 2 years) before selecting those I wished to keep (about 20%) and those I wished to dispose of. Many of those on this list were in there; usually one play told me what I needed to make a decision, but a few I kept for further listens. I do quite like some other albums by bands on this list (Bowie, Univers Zero, Kraftwerk) but I'm not really a big fan of any of them.
 
That's why I have heard a grotesquely large number of albums that I didn't buy myself and so actually didn't like when i came to hear them.


You've mentioned his passing before, and you have my condolences.  That's rough.

On an inconsequential note: A lot of the more popular Prog i have heard is because of an ex  friend of mine.  That's why I've heard nearly all of the Rush albums despite not liking most Rush.. 

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Can I have the ones you don't want?
 
Sorry - long gone. (Though some are still available in the 2nd hand record shops in Leeds and York and some are in charity shops because noone wanted to buy them).


Various of those albums (vinyls) could fetch a pretty penny on sites such as eBay these days as they have collector's value.  If I were in England (Leeds and York more specifically), I would like to check out those charity shops in case some are still around.  I'd like to travel around the Yorkshire area.  Maybe next year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 13:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 14:02
Originally posted by digdug digdug wrote:

I've only heard the Kraftwerk and the Schulze VDGG
both are awesome
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 15:30
some really nice albums in here. Ill go with Peter hammills Over, love this album, incredibly intense and sentimental

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 18:55
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

'm one of those "normal people" who likes utter crap because I have the first five Eagles albums (though I like the first three best) as well as loads by CSNY, Poco and the like. 
Its normal to like Eagles, but you still don't come across as normal. Besides genuinely normal people have no taste at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 19:10
Over for me.
 
 
btw Punk was 1976-77. The time-period from 78-79 is Post-Punk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 19:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2012 at 23:01
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

'm one of those "normal people" who likes utter crap because I have the first five Eagles albums (though I like the first three best) as well as loads by CSNY, Poco and the like. 
Its normal to like Eagles, but you still don't come across as normal. Besides genuinely normal people have no taste at all.


It's ironic then that you crave historical recognition for some of those albums in your list because punk's place in history is informed heavily by mainstream success, as with most things rock.   Anyhow, don't like Eagles either though I do like a lot of "normal people music"; always found them very boring for some reason.

Haven't heard many albums from this list but from the ones I am familiar with, voting for Mirage.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2012 at 00:46
^I should probably have understood that my opening post was gonna cause a lot of reactions, but I didn't really think it over. I just wrote something that clearly expressed where I stand. When I say i hate punk it doesn't really mean that i hate Sex Pistols. Much like Bob Dylan what I hate is how dominant that simple approach to rock has become. The (hopefully dying) rock consensus made by uniformed fans and journalists is what bothers me. 

Still, when history gives us enough distance, commercial success becomes less and less important. Very few of the artists considered the most important throughout history were also the most successful during their time. Look beyond the rock era and practically none of the biggest sellers are considered the most important any longer. Influence and what another age defines as quality will always prevail.

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Over for me.
 
 
btw Punk was 1976-77. The time-period from 78-79 is Post-Punk.

"The Year of Punk" is an expression used for 1977. As "The Year Punk Broke" would have meant 1991 (because of the documentary).  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2012 at 03:37
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Very few of the artists considered the most important throughout history were also the most successful during their time. Look beyond the rock era and practically none of the biggest sellers are considered the most important any longer. Influence and what another age defines as quality will always prevail.



That's not necessarily true either seeing as Mozart was ALSO very successful in his time apart from being considered influential.  But I won't argue the point further because what I want to point out is when you say "look beyond the rock era", you really mean what precedes it.   The rock era is not over yet and so the tendency to derive influence from popularity continues.  Also, another age would tend to define something as quality from amongst whatever music hasn't got drowned in the archives.   What happens is they look at artists who were the most popular from that era and isolate the ones who seem to be more weighty or have contributed to some innovations as the influential ones, while overlooking the ones who were too closely linked to the epoch of their time to appeal to future generations.   I wouldn't mind if indeed as you suggest, importance and influence is derived from merit and not popularity (though that begs the question how exactly do we go about defining merit in rock), I am just saying that that is not the case of today. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2012 at 03:43
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Over for me.
 
 
btw Punk was 1976-77. The time-period from 78-79 is Post-Punk.

I disagree. Punk acts were still going and starting in this period.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2012 at 05:01
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Over for me.
 
 
btw Punk was 1976-77. The time-period from 78-79 is Post-Punk.

I disagree. Punk acts were still going and starting in this period.
I really couldn't care. There are still punk bands going and starting today, 2012 is not the year of punk.
 
Punk as a music genre started in NY in the early 70s but became a world-wide scene complete a recognisable image in 1976. The first British Punk album was released in 1977 and that to me marks the end of the anarchic, nihilistic, anti-establishment Punk and the beginning of sanitised corporate New Wave Punk.
 
The first post-punk album was 1978. Everything changed after that.
 
In 1978 Johnny Rotten became John Lydon and formed Public Image Limited.
By 1979 Punk was more deaderer than Prog ever was.
 
 
 
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