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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:26

My older brother's reactions to

Genesis' Supper's Ready

"What the hell is this? [sings] 'We crossed the field to see the boy'?? What a bunch of fags"

and when I pointed out Steve Hackett's tapping sections and the fact he was a pioneer of the technique (my brother's a metalhead, and expert at tapping)

"It still sucks"

Gentle Giant's "Proclaimation"

"It sounds like circus music...I can just picture clowns prancing around to it"

to prog in general

"It all sounds the same. It all has keyboards and weird time signatures, it sounds the same" [what the hell? and metal and punk doesn't? if anything, prog is the most diverse genre in rock...by definition, not opinion]

Captain Beefheart

"What the hell!?"

Fantomas' "Suspended Animation"

"What the hell!?"

any prog metal (Tool, Dream Theater, especially)

"Finally, something actually good..."

My dad's reactions to

Yes' "Gates of Delirium"

"It sounds like video game music"

Gentle Giant's "Excerpts from Octopus"

"It sounds...er...very operatic...[switches off stereo quickly] let's listen to radio, shall we?"

Anglagard's "Jordrok"

"I guess this is like what a physist contemplating the nature of the universe might listen to..."

Genesis

"Oh God, not Genesis again"

or

"When will you get the album with 'Mama'? I like that song."

Captain Beefheart

"Have you ever heard Steppenwolf?"

Thinking Plague's "Dead Silence"

"You like this fusiony stuff, don't you?"

Pink Floyd's "Time"

"Listen up. This song's a warning to all kids your age..."

"Close to the Edge"

"Wow, I actually like this song"

ELP's "Karn Evil 9"

"Hey, I heard this in college! I've been wondering who did it!"

Focus' "Hocus Pocus"

"I heard this on the radio when I was in High School!"

The Crazy World of Arthur Brown's "Fire!"

same as "Karn Evil 9" and "Hocus Pocus"

My mom's reaction to all of it:

utter indifference...she's not a music person. neither approves nor disapproves.

My friend's reaction to

Gentle Giant's "Knots"

"yes, yes, I know, it's weird, I've heard it"

"Weasel's Ripped my Flesh"

[terror]

My other friend's reaction to it all:

he bought some Yes and ELP albums

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:30
Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

"It sounds like video game music"



This is quite a common one, isn't it? I've heard it a few times from friends and relatives with regard to Yes, Gentle Giant, Anglagard, Hatfield and the North... None of which remind me even remotely of video game music. Odddd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:31

Yes- Close to the edge, the organ part in the middle when he first says, "i get up, i get down."

-mom- "is someone having a funeral? This isn't the Yes I know, they were so good in the 90's."

Mom listened to The Final Cut one day and afterwards came to me and said,

"You know, I love you very much, and, you don't want to kill yourself do you?"

I laughed and walked off singing the song, the final cut.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:33
o, i forgot, my little sister thinks Syd Barrett music, any of it, is "Holloween music" especially the song, Pow R. Toc H.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:35


It's all so relative...

I'm usually the one trying to turn my one of my bandmates on to something, and getting resistance or ambivalence because it's not weird _enough_!



He usually comes around though, much later...

He now has "discovered" Tool and Muse (1+ years after I told him about them!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:48
The video game one is quite strange, but I'd say its mostly from people that don't know much about music or games in general. I am a HUGE gamer and never once thought that any prog ever sounded like something out of a video game....
Can you tell me where my country lies...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:49
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

"It sounds like video game music"



This is quite a common one, isn't it? I've heard it a few times from friends and relatives with regard to Yes, Gentle Giant, Anglagard, Hatfield and the North... None of which remind me even remotely of video game music. Odddd.

Actually, I think alot of prog resembles video game and soundtrack music. It's all very arranged, orchestral. And video games use odd time signatures quite a bit, especially 5/4 and 7/8 for backgrounds to intense sections. "Simpson's Hit and Run" has 7/8 during a car chase (with the Comic Book Guy - something inferred here?), the main battle theme of "Final Fantasy VIII" is in 5/4, and in the case of a TV show, "Inuyasha" has quite a few tunes in 5/4. And, of course, "Mission Impossible" has 5/4.

Video game music isn't really a genre. Anything from punk to avant-garde can be used for it and soundtracks. So it really depends what you mean. But video game music, if it does happen to sound proggy, it's supposed to, because prog came before games.

(on a side note, Incubus' "The Odyssey" is made specifically as video game music [for Halo 2]...and is blantant prog. 7/8, 13/8, 5/4, and atmospheric ambient experiments can all be found in it's 4 movements. The connection is that they wanted to do video game music...and they did prog music for it.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 15:57

My wife after about 45 seconds of Jean Luc Ponty's Enigmatic Ocean...

"This sounds like Porno music !!?!

If it's worth playing, it's worth playing loud!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:07
Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

 "that guy sure sounds gay"

my friend's opinion of yes

 One of my friends said the same thing (only in a more derrogatory form), although a couple of my other friends love Yes, Floyd etc. In fact, one of my other friends let me listen to a few CDs from his decent-sized Yes collection which is how I got into Yes. My mom really doesn't care, but my dad'll listen to Pink Floyd (DSOTM, WYWH, and The Wall mainly), Jethro Tull (Aqualung and Thick As A Brick), and Rush (most anything). He listened to Yes, and thought it was the band Styx.

 Anyways, if anyone critizises my taste in music, its usually due to the fact that the songs are "so long."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:10
Originally posted by Single Coil Single Coil wrote:

My wife after about 45 seconds of Jean Luc Ponty's Enigmatic Ocean...

"This sounds like Porno music !!?!



Well, didya get lucky? (Sorry, couldn't resist)

I'll admit, I had a similar reaction upon first hearing some Return to Forever...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:32

I let my brother in law listen to some Anekdoten (Nucleus). He's very much into classical music, and has no taste for rock.

His reaction was: well, I don't like music that has no structure at all.  

One of my friends, who is strictly classical, and who thinks all pop and rock music is the same, asked me once: do you still like all that minimal music?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 16:46
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Doesn't anyone have a sense of f**king humor anymore???As a society we have grown way too sensitive.All this political correctness makes me want to puke.Lighten up,laugh,smile.
 
Dude, large bold type doesn't get your point across any better. It just makes you look desperate.
 
And I kind of fail to see the great humor in Roine's line. Using exaggerating hyperbole neither makes the statement funnier nor any more salient, since the basic premise is offensive, stupid and uttered by someone who is not even remotely qualified to make such a judgement.
 
When you've lived with a language that constantly gets denigrated by its native speakers - and for no good reason - you tend to get a bit protective of it. The very structure of Swedish is being eroded by the influx of English, a poor school curriculum and lack of care for texts in the public arena.
 
So, you'll excuse me if I don't laugh when yet another person stands up and proclaims English to be somehow superior to Swedish - especially since it is utter nonsense. It's just linguistic racism, really.
 
(besides, any remotely astute lyricist will tell you that the reason it's harder to write song lyrics in Swedish is not because of some imagined "limited vocabulary", but the fact that it is a tonal language that relies heavily on stresses, unlike English)
 
Feh, what a maroon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 17:00

I think the video game remark is accurate, since video game soundtracks are written by actual composers who probably have degrees in music, much like prog musicians.

You know, you guys have some close minded friends and family. My father sees me as a musical sophisticate, while my mom, who only listens to music during yoga sessions, could care less, but apreciates my taste and my own musical talents.

As for my friends: My buddy Zooka took a while to warm up to it, but now he's almost a bigger prog fan than me. He even introduced me to Magma. (Although his father, a die hard Ted Nugent fan calls it church music and comments on its inaccesibility.

My friend Michael, a very open minded person, took right to it. Of course that was no surprise to me since he was a jazz enthusiest beforehand.

My friend and bandmate Paul also took to it. Priar to that he thought Queen was the most progressive music around, but soon his tastes expanded, although Queen is still his favorite band.

My "friend" Evan loves it because when he's high it supports his buzz.

And my friend Julian, haha, his cousin is Joey D'Amico, drummer for cult classic prog band Crack The Sky, he has prog in his blood.

As for your parents, siblings, and friends who think you're crazy, think you're gay, or in some cases, think you're suicidal, good luck

Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 18:21
My dad used to call "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" "Japanese music" 

And everybody else (apart from music pundits) typically calls the music I listen to "weird". One chap from Tennessee (you know, redneck family, country music) told me he would not stand more than ten minutes of ANGLAGARD. He said he would go totally nuts if he listened to it every day (like I used to do)

One Swedish guy was utterly confused when I turned on the powerful bass from "Third" (SOFT MACHINE) for him -- he did not know how to react. He could not believe I was seriously listening to this.

My co-worker calls the beginning of "Duke" "supermarket music". She says something like that was playing in supermarkets in the eighties. But she likes some PORCUPINE TREE nevertheless ("That's OK, not like your other stuff"). And she just came up to me and reminded me what she had been saying about some of my other music ("This sounds like 70s porn music"). Why porn? Did anyone see porn with ELP or GENESIS in it?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 18:21
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

And my friend Julian, haha, his cousin is Joey D'Amico, drummer for cult classic prog band Crack The Sky, he has prog in his blood.

Wow,someone else has heard of Crack the Sky.I grew up and still reside in Baltimore and have seen them scores of times live.I have met Joey D'Amico(his vocal work on Safety in Numbers when Palumbo briefly left the band is superb),Vince Depaul and have known Carey Ziegler and John Palumbo since I was 16.CtS is a great,unknown and underappreciated prog band.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 18:43
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:


"It's so much harder to express yourself in Swedish, which only has, what is it, 4 words?" - Roine Stolt, 5/28/05
 
Is this an actual quote? Where is it from? Because this has to be one of the most ignorant and idiotic things I've heard someone say, not least when he does not know English even passably.
 
Lordy, I think he needs another phone call...


First off, he does too know English passably.  When I spoke with him, he was very fluent, occasionally pausing between sentences but not screwing up syntax even once.

It's an actual quote, but unless you were at the NJ show, 5/28/05, you'll never hear it.  He was in a really jovial mood, making ridiculous jokes and being downright silly during an Q/A session.

You took it seriously?  Swedish is his first language, ya f**k.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 19:14

Originally posted by beterdedthnred4 beterdedthnred4 wrote:

My little sister used to leave the room weeping when I blasted the introduction to Los Endos

LOL.

'Its just a load of farty noises interspersed with crazy drumming'
-Anon, something I saw on the forums here, about ELP
'Yeah, I see what he means'-Mother.

'Oh yeah, I like some of their early stuff too. I bought Follow You Follow Me in 1978!'
-Mother.

Me: 'I love this one. Recent favourite.'
Dad: Yeah it is good...what album's this off?
Me: Trick Of The Tail. It's called Ripples.

Next week I am playing it upstairs he comes up, sings along 'Sail away, away' strumming an imaginary twelve string. w00t.

I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 19:15
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Doesn't anyone have a sense of f**king humor anymore???As a society we have grown way too sensitive.All this political correctness makes me want to puke.Lighten up,laugh,smile.
 
Dude, large bold type doesn't get your point across any better. It just makes you look desperate.
 
And I kind of fail to see the great humor in Roine's line. Using exaggerating hyperbole neither makes the statement funnier nor any more salient, since the basic premise is offensive, stupid and uttered by someone who is not even remotely qualified to make such a judgement.
 
When you've lived with a language that constantly gets denigrated by its native speakers - and for no good reason - you tend to get a bit protective of it. The very structure of Swedish is being eroded by the influx of English, a poor school curriculum and lack of care for texts in the public arena.
 
So, you'll excuse me if I don't laugh when yet another person stands up and proclaims English to be somehow superior to Swedish - especially since it is utter nonsense. It's just linguistic racism, really.
 
(besides, any remotely astute lyricist will tell you that the reason it's harder to write song lyrics in Swedish is not because of some imagined "limited vocabulary", but the fact that it is a tonal language that relies heavily on stresses, unlike English)
 
Feh, what a maroon.

dude cheer up have some fun, IT WAS A JOKE.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 19:15
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:



First off, he does too know English passably.  When I spoke with him, he was very fluent, occasionally pausing between sentences but not screwing up syntax even once.
 
Then why titles like Devils Danceschool? And lines like "a stream that run through your soul ", "Someone else have to pay the price", "Judas kissing the world is a looser", etc. The examples are on every album I've heard (and that's most of them)
 
And why oh why does he add incongrous z-sounds on words like face and dance (turning the former into phase by doing it)? Why no hard tch-sound on "children"? These are not artefacts of a Swedish accent, but something entirely different. All easily fixable, really. If you care enough, that is.
 
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

You took it seriously?  Swedish is his first language, ya f**k.
 
Swedish is my first language, my friend. And you don't know how often it is denigrated and spat upon by native speakers. It may be funny to you (although why, I do not know), but to me it's about as funny as someone claiming that black people are inferior to whites because they make less money. It's prejudiced, it's stupid, it's erroneous, and it is extremely counterproductive.
 
You do not know what is going on with Swedish, how it is being irrevocably changed to a form that undermines communication and clarity, because of precisely the attitude that it's somehow a lesser language, but I'm certain that if you did, you would be just as appalled as I am.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 19:16

Also:

Schoolmate 1: Yeah change it this song sucks
Schoolmate 2: What the hell is it anyway?
Schoolmate 1: It sucks it's so boring!
Schoolmate 3: Yeah all you can hear is *boom be doom bedoom bedoom*
Schoolmate 2: Who is it? It's going for ages!
Me: Soft Machine.

I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8
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