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Points: 20030 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 15:11
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

You will see an inevitable decline in the ratings for the artists that no longer make new music.  It's really no big deal.


It doesn't seem to be affecting Genesis that much.
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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 17:18
My question is: why is the Top 250 list so radically different now than it was a week ago?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 17:30
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Had he picked one of the "big 3" I seem to think the replies would have been different.
 


I would have actually ridiculed him in that case.


Why? By what right?
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 17:40
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Had he picked one of the "big 3" I seem to think the replies would have been different.
 


I would have actually ridiculed him in that case.


Why? By what right?


Because the top list is already full of "big 3" albums; how could you possibly complain about a lack of them?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 17:43
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Had he picked one of the "big 3" I seem to think the replies would have been different.
 


I would have actually ridiculed him in that case.


Why? By what right?


Because the top list is already full of "big 3" albums; how could you possibly complain about a lack of them?

I understand...you are right...but is ridicule needed?
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 17:53
Yes, absolutely
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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 18:34
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

My question is: why is the Top 250 list so radically different now than it was a week ago?


How different is it, then?
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

My question is: why is the Top 250 list so radically different now than it was a week ago?


How different is it, then?


Tons of albums were either moved way up/down or added outright. For example, Maiden Voyage is in the top 60 when it wasn't even in the top 250 before, and Sing to God and Leaving Your Body Map both went up around 60 ranks. Other examples include: Stormcock, Isa, and A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2011 at 19:01
We should just fix Gentle Giant on the list so that their name can be passed on to future generations. 
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Had he picked one of the "big 3" I seem to think the replies would have been different.
 


I would have actually ridiculed him in that case.


Why? By what right?


Because the top list is already full of "big 3" albums; how could you possibly complain about a lack of them?
 
The problem with most is that he picked Gentle Giant, the discussion went from "is there something wrong with the rating system" to "GG does not deserve it or really who cares about GG.."
 
It was an immediate slam against the band he picked....."so what, my band is not there so I don't care about yours".
 
Ridiculing someone does not improve the site.....I fail to see that as a constructive reply.
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2011 at 09:50
^ It wasn't at all like you say. We must have read different threads. 
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Points: 17848 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2011 at 09:54
^ Its ok...its just my opinion.
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 02:01
Perhaps I'm the exception, but when looking at the top 100 list, I'm mainly interested in what albums are in the top 5 or 10 and the way their positions shift slightly now and then (a bit like watching paint dry).
For the other 90 I just like to know which albums are in there, not the number at which they stand. For any of those I couldn't care less one of them is at number 12 or 98. If I did, I'd probably get upset.
I am interested in new introductions to the list and albums that consequntly vanish from the list though.
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Points: 5575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 10:05
This is ridiculous I discovered most bands on PA via the forum not checking the Top 100. A bands position in the rankings carries nowhere near as much weight as what the reviews of it say in my view. If you are a member of PA or regularly check it out then it is impossible for Gentle Giant to slip past your radar regardless of their position in the rankings
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 10:16
I feel confident that newcomers to progressive rock will have no issues discovering Gentle Giant on this website.

I'm more interested in this ostensible algorithm change that made drastic changes to the top album list, but that's a separate thread.
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Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2011 at 22:51
I discovered most bands thru the forums too but I have to say the top 100 has merit. Many would check this to see what is out there and revered as the best of the best. I printed a top 100 in 2006 before i even joined. But its unrecognizable now.Embarrassed
 
I would love to see a special Prog Rock list of top 100 albums.Star
 
Kind of like 1001 albums you must hear before you die book. So all are placed in their specific years. I know we can look up albums by years by going thru the search section with albums, but a user friendly (newbie friendly), one click on the home page of 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, etc lists of top 100 prog albums would be quite useful. And not hard to compile. It would change as reviews come in but that wont matter.
 
This is one idea i would be happy to support or help with. Gentle Giant would end up on a top 100 70s.
of course the 80s list would be kind of difficult to compile as there was hardly any decent prog (did I just say that>?) 
 
 


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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

I remember when I wasn't even a member of PA but had been looking at the site for a number of years before I joined and Gentle Giant had 5-6 albums in the top 100. Today they have 2 in the top 100 and I'm afraid that Free Hand is sitting precariously at 99 and will soon be pushed out. In A Glass House (at 42) is slowly sliding down the PA charts. Soon there will not be one Gentle Giant album in the top 100, which is outrageous considering their standing in the Prog community.
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Good luck trying to convince these quasi-socialists that they are wrong in their "ideas" about a Top Ten or Top 100. Specially when many of these bands did their work with complete and utter disrespect for the "Top Ten" that was the AM radio (America for example) at the time. But it only took 5 years and FM radio in America also became just another top ten, and then 30 years later someone had the gall to invent Satelite Radio to become yet another Top Ten disgrace and blatant commercial endeavour!
 
And us, on top of it, are too stuck in that commercialization to help try and address that -- yet another Top Ten ... we would be lost without it!
 
In the end, our egos in this board will kill it anyway ... and tomorrow another gagaband will be number one and GG will fall off and the day after another spearsbruhaha will be number one and KC will fall off ... it's just a matter of time ... and logistics! We're standing up for a process that ... will kill it all for us, and not help the very music and process that we're standing up for!
 
That's what happens when a process has no past and no future ... and uses an excuse for "today".
 
I am of the opinion that the Top 100 should ONLY have a group/artist ONCE ... not 3 (or 4) albums by Genesis or ELP or anyone else ... and this would help consider these as ARTISTS ... instead of just another top ten countdown! ... which will change tomorrow as we get more metal and prog fans and less purists and us old fudgers will all die off sooner or later ... and that metal goth kid can't wait for us to leave!
 
No one remembers Strawberry Alarm Clock ... or Sugarloaf ... or Ides of March ... or even Mason Profit! ... much less James Gang ... and if you do ... you're a hard core oldster and someone will quickly joke that you need a haircut! ... and the new word is ... et tu musik?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2011 at 23:36
I'll just have to add more 4 and 5 star reviews for GG.  
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

by the way, i thought this thread was about the slow demise of Gentle Giant. Period.

I was going to say, it wasn't slow, it was actually quite fast Tongue

Hey man. Civilian is a damn good album. One of the best albums of the 80's.
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2011 at 10:03
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

by the way, i thought this thread was about the slow demise of Gentle Giant. Period.

I was going to say, it wasn't slow, it was actually quite fast Tongue

Hey man. Civilian is a damn good album. One of the best albums of the 80's.


It's good for what it is, but "one of the best albums of the 80's"? Really?! Civillian was an ageing prog band's competent last-ditch attempt at commercial viability, nothing more. There was a shedload of exciting, innovative music produced in that decade, all of which utterly eclipses that album.
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