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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 11:17
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Most of the guys I know who choose to listen to only the heinously weird, atonal, free-form, balloon animal strangling extremes of modern jazz Dead have never gone near a musical instrument in their lives. Why this should be so has always remained a mystery to me. So No, you don't have to be a musician to appreciate progressive music.


Well, I'm a musician and I like both opera and heinously weird, atonal, free-form, balloon animal strangling extremes of modern jazz, so I don't know what that says about me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 11:22
And how does one quantify joy, anyway?I might argue that someone with musical knowledge is better able to appreciate prog, or any other genre for that matter simply by virtue of superior understanding (and for the record, I do not have much musical knowledge), but enjoy ...? Dubious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 13:40
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

If you read the first post, by "flat people" he is trying to say people who don't get high..

That's what I think too.

Really? I thought it was a typo and he was trying to type "fat people".

Well who knows, but he continues...

Originally posted by trackstoni trackstoni wrote:

   , the flat people , or the guys using any substances !

...so he is probably doing opposites and contrasting and suchlike.


That makes more sense than it being short for the flatulent people (e.g. fart rock types).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 13:42
^ This is great. We are actually discussing the meanings in his first post rather than the somewhat hazy subject. I do love a good conversation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 14:02
I loved prog before I knew anything of music, and many of the people I know who like prog (ok, they are not that many...) don't know music either, so surely you don't need to be a musician to fully enjoy prog, but having said that, after I studied music (I didn't reach far, just 2 years) I found that I could appreciate many subtle aspects which otherwise went unnoticed.
So, yes and no, anybody can fully enjoy  prog but knowing a bit of music definitely helps getting the most out of it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 14:37
I am old, 47! I enjoyed Prog at the most seriosly way when I was 12 yrs old, so I remember THE day when I bought Genesis Live and Tales From Topographic Oceans, both issued under licence in ex Yugoslavia. Also, when abit older fellows were take me to the Jethro Tull Belgrade gig, to Return to Forever, and Deep Purple with SMAK as support act., all that  in 1975 Rawks After those gigs, i could not sleep over the nights Big smile !  Well, I think that Prog Rock is for the kids.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 15:09
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Most of the guys I know who choose to listen to only the heinously weird, atonal, free-form, balloon animal strangling extremes of modern jazz Dead have never gone near a musical instrument in their lives. Why this should be so has always remained a mystery to me. So No, you don't have to be a musician to appreciate progressive music.


Well, I'm a musician and I like both opera and heinously weird, atonal, free-form, balloon animal strangling extremes of modern jazz, so I don't know what that says about me.
 
From time to time, I too enjoy the unusual, relatively atonal, free-form modern jazz.  John Zorn for example. 
(FWIW I'm a musician).
 
But I'm not sure where the line of demarcation is drawn to make something qualify as "weird".  I suspect the majority of prog could sound "weird" to a pop music fan.  Adding the words "heinously" and "balloon animal strangling extremes" seem to indicate that we are talking about only the most excessively isolated and self-referential of atonal modern jazz.  Top that all off by clarifying that we are talking only about people that  listen exclusively to nothing else...
 
I can honestly say I don't believe I have ever met face to face with a person who meets this description in my entire life.  It sounds like I've been fortunate!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 15:31
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I loved prog before I knew anything of music, and many of the people I know who like prog (ok, they are not that many...) don't know music either, so surely you don't need to be a musician to fully enjoy prog, but having said that, after I studied music (I didn't reach far, just 2 years) I found that I could appreciate many subtle aspects which otherwise went unnoticed.
So, yes and no, anybody can fully enjoy  prog but knowing a bit of music definitely helps getting the most out of it.
 

I'm with you on this one. It's easy to listen and appreciate, but when you have a little knowledge of how music is composed, arranged, orchestrated,etc, you can have a closer and deeper perspective of the music. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 15:43
People who HEAR their music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:32
No more personal attacks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2010 at 03:53
everybody it's for everyone if they can understand music is not just a way for having fun
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2010 at 16:02
Probably, more musicians do enjoy prog than non-musicians. BUT musicians will enjoy any music more because they kind of understand it from an "insider" point of view. Of course there is no intelligence, state of mind or outlook needed to feel music.
 
But the addition of being musician is that you can go "Oh! I like what they did there with that harmony...." which adds a certain profesisonal respect on top of the general enjoyment. Or maybe not?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2010 at 17:12
The question is hard to understand without complete understanding of the intended context of "more". Is it the percentage of people that are prog fans or the quantitative measurement of individual appreciation. When considering who enjoys the music, my experience is that all of those I know that enjoy prog are some sort of scholar with artistic outlet. Some are musicians, but others are painters, movie directors, photographers, web designers etc. They are all intelligent. Then again, I don't surround myself with grade-school dropouts, so my sample pool is somewhat narrow from that context.

As for as level of enjoyment, I clearly appreciate it more and on more levels than anybody else. Approve
Seriously, how do you measure that?  There might be someone out there who has no artistic ability, no scholarly pursuits and no job who literally achieves orgasm through listening to prog. I think he/she (more likely he) has us all beat. Rock on progarast!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 11:43

This question classified people to 2 categories: Musicians and not Musicians. But enjoying Progressive music may have too many reasons like reading books or watching movies.... This related to listener's background and psychologic and age of listener. In lower age like 11 or 12 , CHANCE is the important factor (IMO). In different countries this may have different reasons. Caltural background is important too. Enjoying Progressive music never give a special credit to listener. I mean progressive listener isn't special person or intellectual in all cases. Maybe he/she is musician maybe not. Maybe intellectual and maybe not. I want to say listening progressive music isn't a specific to categorize people.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:29
I am not a professional musician but I like to play.  The people best lured into prog are those that like music but have become tired of most of the stuff that is put out just for the sake of commercial success.  This has been true since whenever you care to pinpoint the beginning of progressive rock.  
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 15:20
People who want the surprise in music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 16:00
People who like music
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 16:03
Right answer Xanatos.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 17:18
Originally posted by trackstoni trackstoni wrote:

hey Snowdog , can we have a break in here !! i have nothing against you , but don't ask questions , use your experience & common sence to answer ours . Thank you for the << S >> letter on who enjoy..s , and try to be flexible with other people around , we really care about this site , and we want it better . Excuse our bad english , but for your info i speak 9 languages fluently , so , how many do you speak ( errors & ommisions staff )????

What are you talking about?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2010 at 17:25
Why is he having a go at me?Confused
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