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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 09:11
 
Originally posted by sojourn sojourn wrote:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 10:18
Originally posted by sojourn sojourn wrote:

wow, i love the pdeudo-intellects on the interenet.
You may find that it is a fact that Pink Floyd "helped" create the genre, you may also find that the use of the word "helped" implies that there may have been many more "helpers" which should make sense to you, as prog comes from a large span of varying influences. However i was merely pointing out the fact that as Pink Floyd were such original and early inovators of psychadelic music which later was a large part of the evolution of prog, they do deserve special treatment. This is so that people can truly understand the importance of this band to the genre. And concidering that this is the PROG ARCHIVE it may be important to  people interested in or learning about prog to know an accurate version of the story of the band Pink Floyd. Not only that, but i believe this forum is about the article on Pink Floyd, not being good enough, which therefor means that it is not that they deserve special treatment, but the same treatment as all the other innovating bands, such as crimson that were mentioned earlier.
If you want to be an arsehole and diss on a whole fan base to make you feel superior, you may want to start arguing the correct argument instead of regergitating a completely unoriginal phillosophy to try and change my use of words.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 10:52
I've been wondering for a while. Troll? Trolling? What is it?

Insofar as Sojourn's attack is directed at me, I can only say that I'm not questioning the semantics of the words "help" and "create" - just their context.  I'm not "regurgitating" any philosophy, just quoting David Byrne (Whose name I shamefully misspelledEmbarrassed) to convey a simple subjective message that facts ought to be objects of doubt. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 11:36
sohraab, I am actually fine with the band description of Pink Floyd, but if you think you can come up with a better one, feel free to write it and publish it here; the administrators then will take a look at it, and if they agree that your band description is better it will be replaced


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 13:14
in fact, i`m preparing the material. a concise but also definite one. although all of the disagreement of the people here which was unfortunately  kinda misbehave in some cases, i still have my objection as tough as the beginning on the short and useless introduction about PF. i try to be friendly all the time but if i c improper reactions, then i don`t mind and do my own work. of course i`ll provide a better one and present it for site admins. PF deserves a nice introduction. some people here said in replies that this is not an encyclopedia. so how come that king crimson has such a broad introduction in a couple of paragraphs?! so does it mean that just in the case of PF it is not an encyclopedia???!!!!! but for others there`s no problem! PF is not my idol, but in fact i don`t like mis-judgment. we have to be honest with ourselves and if we find out that something is wrong somewhere we should try to improve it rather than providing reactive and aggressive reasons just to make ourselves feel good! i`m new here but i do my best to have a share in prog-music. and i don`t let anyone make me disappointed. everyone should know it here. such kind of behaviors resulted in this terrible situation that good music is almost dead and the world is ruled by actors (and not musicians) such as lady gaga, rihanna and other industrial idols.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 13:30
Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

I've been wondering for a while. Troll? Trolling? What is it?

It's when you come on to an internet forum and make a statement which is either hostile, blatantly wrong, or against the views of many on the site in order to get a strong reaction. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 13:54
Originally posted by sohraab sohraab wrote:

, i still have my objection as tough as the beginning on the short and useless introduction about PF. .  

I thought you were going to stop being offensive?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:07

The PA is a music website/forum. I think the majority of people who click on the site know that this is geared towards progressive music (rock, metal, jazz, even R&B...and others). I would think 99% know enough about Pink Floyd and some of the other band intros mentioned....unless you just crawled from underneath a rock or have been in a coma Wink.

I have probably read less than 10 of the bios......Bad on my part Disapprove, I should read more of them to show appreciation for those that wrote or compiled themThumbs Up.
I think a band like Pink Floyd are epic enough they don't need a 10 paragraph bio....A short history, bio, discography and then be done with it.
I'm sure there are TONS of fan websites that pay homage to Pink Floyd in a more detailed manner than the PA does......but again this is a music website, not a specific band website.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:11
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The PA is a music website/forum. I think the majority of people who click on the site know that this is geared towards progressive music (rock, metal, jazz, even R&B...and others). I would think 99% know enough about Pink Floyd and some of the other band intros mentioned....unless you just crawled from underneath a rock or have been in a coma Wink.

I have probably read less than 10 of the bios......Bad on my part Disapprove, I should read more of them to show appreciation for those that wrote or compiled themThumbs Up.
I think a band like Pink Floyd are epic enough they don't need a 10 paragraph bio....A short history, bio, discography and then be done with it.
I'm sure there are TONS of fan websites that pay homage to Pink Floyd in a more detailed manner than the PA does......but again this is a music website, not a specific band website.

I'm sure i saw you in the rye earlier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:23
A whiny band featuring a whiny man with daddy issues leads to whiny posts about being ignored. Ugh, another symptom of the floyd Thumbs Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:28
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The PA is a music website/forum. I think the majority of people who click on the site know that this is geared towards progressive music (rock, metal, jazz, even R&B...and others). I would think 99% know enough about Pink Floyd and some of the other band intros mentioned....unless you just crawled from underneath a rock or have been in a coma Wink.

I have probably read less than 10 of the bios......Bad on my part Disapprove, I should read more of them to show appreciation for those that wrote or compiled themThumbs Up.
I think a band like Pink Floyd are epic enough they don't need a 10 paragraph bio....A short history, bio, discography and then be done with it.
I'm sure there are TONS of fan websites that pay homage to Pink Floyd in a more detailed manner than the PA does......but again this is a music website, not a specific band website.

I'm sure i saw you in the rye earlier.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:28
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

A whiny band featuring a whiny man with daddy issues leads to whiny posts about being ignored. Ugh, another symptom of the floyd Thumbs Down
I actually find this funny......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:41
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

A whiny band featuring a whiny man with daddy issues leads to whiny posts about being ignored. Ugh, another symptom of the floyd Thumbs Down


Absolutely, Walter. At the end of the day, he only lost his father in the war. I just don't know what the bloody hell he had to whine about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:48
Careful now, we don't want Godwin to appear in this thread...

I just went through the last three pages, and although the discussion seems to be valid, some of you may have to think a bit more carefully and reread what they wrote before hitting 'Post reply'. Some posts have been hidden, let's try to avoid more of that. Thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:49
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

A whiny band featuring a whiny man with daddy issues leads to whiny posts about being ignored. Ugh, another symptom of the floyd Thumbs Down


Absolutely, Walter. At the end of the day, he only lost his father in the war. I just don't know what the bloody hell he had to whine about.


And he was the only man in the world to ever have that happen, so naturally he feels like blathering on about it in an incessant fashion. Cry me a river, roger. Or, actually, don't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 15:57
Originally posted by sohraab sohraab wrote:

everyone should know it here. such kind of behaviors resulted in this terrible situation that good music is almost dead and the world is ruled by actors (and not musicians) such as lady gaga, rihanna and other industrial idols.  


The world was always ruled by actors and pop music.  There is also no reason to disregard the legitimacy of pop music as an art form.  One of the most intolerable attitudes prog fans tend to adopt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 20:59
offensive?! u think i consider PA as a battle?!! sorry for ur thought man. i`m just about to correct the things that i found a little wrong. and i do it. look at my original post. this is just kinda `need-to-do suggestion`. i asked one question and no one answered me in an intellectual way! IF IT IS JUST A WEBSITE FOR REVIEW OF MUSICS AND NOT A PLACE TO INTRODUCE THE BANDS, HOW COME THE INTRODUCTIONS ARE SO LONG FOR SOME BANDS, NOT OBSCURED ONES, BUT LIKE KG. IF THIS SITE IS NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA, IT SHOULD NOT BE SO FOR ALL CASES, IF IT IS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA, SHOULD BE FOR ALL THE CASES`
i think almost all of us are more or less well educated...! and we read at least some things about `LOGICAL STATEMENT`.
i emphasize again. i`m not aggressive generally. just about to improve the things around me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 21:04
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by sohraab sohraab wrote:

, i still have my objection as tough as the beginning on the short and useless introduction about PF. .  

I thought you were going to stop being offensive?


offensive?! u think i consider PA as a battle?!! sorry for ur thought man. i`m just about to correct the things that i found a little wrong. and i do it. look at my original post. this is just kinda `need-to-do suggestion`. i asked one question and no one answered me in an intellectual way! IF IT IS JUST A WEBSITE FOR REVIEW OF MUSICS AND NOT A PLACE TO INTRODUCE THE BANDS, HOW COME THE INTRODUCTIONS ARE SO LONG FOR SOME BANDS, NOT OBSCURED ONES, BUT LIKE KG. IF THIS SITE IS NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA, IT SHOULD NOT BE SO FOR ALL CASES, IF IT IS AN ENCYCLOPEDIA, SHOULD BE FOR ALL THE CASES`
i think almost all of us are more or less well educated...! and we read at least some things about `LOGICAL STATEMENT`.
i emphasize again. i`m not aggressive generally. just about to improve the things around me.
being friendly should not be mistaken by being careless. i`m friendly but not careless. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 21:11
Originally posted by Lozlan Lozlan wrote:

Originally posted by sohraab sohraab wrote:

everyone should know it here. such kind of behaviors resulted in this terrible situation that good music is almost dead and the world is ruled by actors (and not musicians) such as lady gaga, rihanna and other industrial idols.  


The world was always ruled by actors and pop music.  There is also no reason to disregard the legitimacy of pop music as an art form.  One of the most intolerable attitudes prog fans tend to adopt.


did i type the word `POP`?! of course if we consider the original definition of pop music which separates it from classical music, then, rock and all of its branches fall in in the category of pop music as well. so, i did`nt mean pop music but GARBAGE material which is unfortunately called music today.
please read my posts carefully then reply my friend.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2010 at 21:15
It's true that some bios need rewriting (that Tool one has got to go as mentioned earlier) but letting fanboys write loveletters is not the answer. It should be just like the reviews issues thing- if you have a problem with a bio, submit an adjustment in the appropriate folder rather than just ranting about it here.
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