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lucas 
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 Posted: February 28 2010 at 11:49 |
^ given the fact that some experimentation thrown in songs can make an album "prog" (cf the suppoedly experimental 'inside out' by John Martyn) I wouldn't be surprised to see Joni Mitchell included on the basis of 'the hissing of summer lawns'. I am not suggesting her inclusion btw.
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Chris S
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 12:54 |
 lucas wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Well, Joni could be here, but not for her folk stuff. But her later 70s music with Jaco and Methany, stuff like Hejira and songs like Paprika Plains are worth considering. |
Yeah, that era is lovely, though not sure if I would consider it Jazz Rock "with Prog credentials" |
steely dan, jazz-pop is here. So having Joni Mitchell, playing stuff in the same league, would not be a surprise. |
Steely Dan are jazz-pop? 
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 12:56 |
Tony R wrote:
Joni Mitchell????????????????????????????????????
You can flame me now, I have broad shoulders and an asbestos jacket.
But come on people.
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No flames at all Tony, but just want to ask respectfully, have you listened to the material from Hissing through Shadows/Light/Mingus? Or is your comment based strictly on her more folkie 60s/early 70s stuff? 
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lucas
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 13:10 |
Chris S wrote:
lucas wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Well, Joni could be here, but not for her folk stuff. But her later 70s music with Jaco and Methany, stuff like Hejira and songs like Paprika Plains are worth considering. |
Yeah, that era is lovely, though not sure if I would consider it Jazz Rock "with Prog credentials" |
steely dan, jazz-pop is here. So having Joni Mitchell, playing stuff in the same league, would not be a surprise. |
Steely Dan are jazz-pop? |
jazz meets pop = jazz pop, don't you think, not really "rock" therefore pop...
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 13:11 |
Chris S wrote:
lucas wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Well, Joni could be here, but not for her folk stuff. But her later 70s music with Jaco and Methany, stuff like Hejira and songs like Paprika Plains are worth considering. |
Yeah, that era is lovely, though not sure if I would consider it Jazz Rock "with Prog credentials" |
steely dan, jazz-pop is here. So having Joni Mitchell, playing stuff in the same league, would not be a surprise. |
Steely Dan are jazz-pop? |
Seriously. Talk about a watered-down description of one of the most innovative bands of our time.
EDIT: Just saw your newest post, lucas. I take it all back. If a bunch of bloggers use the term, it must be what they are!
Edited by JLocke - February 28 2010 at 13:12
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 07:23 |
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Jeez, you'd think with some of the things being said in this thread that I had done something really crazy, like suggest post-punk as a sub-genre, or something.  |
Actually, I do think that most of post-punk was in fact a true "progressive rock" of the 1980s and not "Neo-prog" for instance. Honestly. But this is off topic... 
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 07:25 |
Seyo wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Jeez, you'd think with some of the things being said in this thread that I had done something really crazy, like suggest post-punk as a sub-genre, or something. |
Actually, I do think that most of post-punk was in fact a true "progressive rock" of the 1980s and not "Neo-prog" for instance. Honestly. But this is off topic... |
Hear, hear  !
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chopper
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 08:32 |
Chris S wrote:
lucas wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Well, Joni could be here, but not for her folk stuff. But her later 70s music with Jaco and Methany, stuff like Hejira and songs like Paprika Plains are worth considering. |
Yeah, that era is lovely, though not sure if I would consider it Jazz Rock "with Prog credentials" |
steely dan, jazz-pop is here. So having Joni Mitchell, playing stuff in the same league, would not be a surprise. |
Steely Dan are jazz-pop? |
Sounds reasonable to me. If I remember correctly that's how they're described in my Dan compilation at home. Getting back to the subject, Nick Drake is wonderful but I don't see him as being prog-folk or even prog-related.
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 05:26 |
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Nick Drake is an artist that crossed my mind as well.
He's one of the artists that I looked up when I joined PA and was a bit surprised not to find.
He's a singer-songwriter and I don't think he innovated anything from a formal point of view.
But there's some vibe in his music that sits close to the dreamy mellow side of bands like Le Orme, Opeth, Pink Floyd,...
It's hard to put my finger on it though. Maybe it's just a similarity in mood.
Edited by Bonnek - March 04 2010 at 05:27
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 06:14 |
Bonnek wrote:
Nick Drake is an artist that crossed my mind as well.
He's one of the artists that I looked up when I joined PA and was a bit surprised not to find.
He's a singer-songwriter and I don't think he innovated anything from a formal point of view.
But there's some vibe in his music that sits close to the dreamy mellow side of bands like Le Orme, Opeth, Pink Floyd,...
It's hard to put my finger on it though. Maybe it's just a similarity in mood.
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 Well said! And somehow there are many references to Nick Drake on this site. When I search for "Nick Drake" there appear 10 or 11 pages. When I count out the false searches (Bob Drake, Nick D'Virgilio) and my own posts in the song and album games there are still 8 or 9 pages left.
Edited by someone_else - March 04 2010 at 06:18
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