SR VI: Incident Free since 2008

King By-Tor wrote: mmm, Dark Side Of The Moon. whoever thinks that any prog album is a masterpiece should listen to this album before reviewing their so called masterpiece

I have heard it.

I've also seen the documentary about the making of it.

Yes it's a masterpiece but that doesn't necessarily mean people should enjoy it.

As it happens, I do enjoy it.

the war in Iraq is one of history's greatest foibles. There was no reason to invade and it's killed more people than 9/11 did.

King By-Tor wrote: the war in Iraq is one of history's greatest foibles. There was no reason to invade and it's killed more people than 9/11 did. Dark Side Of The Moon - like it or not - is one of the best produced albums of all time.

Remember Iraq is ABSOLUTELY NOT LIKE VIETNAM! That place was wet while Iraq is dry
Also, Iraq never got expanded and drug out for 13 years.

And I like Dark Side of the moon!


Edited by JJLehto - July 17 2009 at 12:53

JJLehto wrote: James wrote: A triple post: just for my darling Henry The war on Terror is pointless.  Why the hell are there even troops in Afghanistan?  Seriously.  There's even less of a point of them being there than in Iraq (and we shouldn't have been there either!). Seriously.  The Terrorists are on the Internet.  That's how they work.  They're all over the world.  They sometimes go to Pakistan though but nobody would dare invade Pakistan (and I'm not suggesting that either). Leave the terrorists alone and they may actually leave us alone.  Invading them, killing them or whatever, will just make things work.   I've been saying that for years! All that money the US has spent on wars should be used on securing our borders. And NO not walls for those mexicans we hate oh so much, but true border control and money for airports. Not to mention leaving Iraq, Afghanistan eventually and moving all our bases and troops out. We are making more terrorism by being there. Now back to why Dream Theater is the greatest band ever in history.

Well I've been thinking along similar lines as well.

However, it was what Diane Abbot said on television last night that made me convinced.

She said that the terrorists work on the Internet and could live anywhere in the world.

Also, when was the last really serious bit of terrorism in the west?  I am sure there is something planned but there's not been anything happen for ages.

It's all just stupid hype.

And yep, far too many innocents have died for no reason whatsoever.

James wrote: I might try and listen to Black Custard and Soiled Loincloths later... not sure. Mike, the war in Afghanistan is also pointless.  What are we fighting for? It's a war against Islam, not a war against terrorism.  That's 'cause apparently we're all racist bigots.

BC & SL!?!? DONT DO IT!!!!


And at least Afghanistan I could understand. The taliban was clearly training, at the very least harboring, terrorists. Iraq was not. Though if I was President I would probably go a little harder in Afghanistan, set the deadline for 18 months and start moving out then.
You guys know the Wolfowitz Doctrine?
In short it calls for: Pre-emptive war, uni lateral action, Iraq, oil
Bush's ENTIRE foreign policy was decided 7 years before he was in office....

I also found it great Papa Bush didnt pursue invading Iraq the 1st time, saying it would be a total mess and impossible to manage.



Edited by JJLehto - July 17 2009 at 13:04

James wrote: No, the training takes place in Pakistan as well.  Actually, mostly in Pakistan. When we invaded Afghanistan I didn't think we should have.  Most people though didn't seem to mind.  Then we had an illegal war in Iraq as well.  Just to rub it in even more.  Most people did mind.

Hey like I said, my goal would be to eventually leave Afghanistan as well, not to mention all our bases and troops from the middle east.
Wasn't one of their big beefs was that we had troops and bases stationed in Saudi Arabia??
Anyway, yea leave the Middle East and the scale back in defense spending should be used for things at home, or beefing up our domestic security.

Wait James...aren't you in England? I thought you guys left Iraq some time ago

JJLehto wrote: James wrote: No, the training takes place in Pakistan as well.  Actually, mostly in Pakistan. When we invaded Afghanistan I didn't think we should have.  Most people though didn't seem to mind.  Then we had an illegal war in Iraq as well.  Just to rub it in even more.  Most people did mind. Hey like I said, my goal would be to eventually leave Afghanistan as well, not to mention all our bases and troops from the middle east. Wasn't one of their big beefs was that we had troops and bases stationed in Saudi Arabia?? Anyway, yea leave the Middle East and the scale back in defense spending should be used for things at home, or beefing up our domestic security. Wait James...aren't you in England? I thought you guys left Iraq some time ago

We have left Iraq but we shouldn't have even been there in the first place.  In fact, we invaded illegally and Blair should be up for war crimes.

8 British troops have died this week in Afghanistan.  That's more than have ever died in Iraq in a week (as far as I am aware).

And they weren't killed my Afghans but roadside bombs.

He'd make a good meal for an Afghan...

Once again your view of the world disappoints me. Iraq is one thing, but the Taliban was demonstrably supporting Al-Qaeda (and the Taliban still exists!), and we were leaving Al-Qaeda alone. I think a lot of the things we've done haven't helped, but we can't just close our eyes and hope it goes away, unless we're willing to accept the risk of another attack. Personally, I would since a lot more people die in car accidents and crap, but I know other people aren't as lassiez-faire about their personal safety as I am.

Edited by Henry Plainview - July 17 2009 at 13:43

on a lighter note.