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Mr ProgFreak 
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
 Posted: May 08 2009 at 02:04 |
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^^ well said, no doubt. But personally, having more than 15 years of listening to prog, rock, metal, jazz, classical, dance, pop, country etc. under my belt ... like I said elsewhere, I simply don't have that great expectations anymore when it comes to experimentation and innovation in music. I understand you, Harry, if you prefer the experimental side of things ... for me it was a phase that lasted about 4-5 years. I'm not saying that it has to be the same for you, I'm just describing how it was for me.
 Doesn't have much to do with the new DT album though ... like I also said elsewhere, IMO it's inspiration that they lack. But the same can be said about most of the big players in prog, be it Rock or Metal. King Crimson, Peter Hammill ... I can't think of many more artists who manage to still publish inspired music after 20+ years and 10+ albums. |
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 08 2009 at 07:41 |
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True, there are no bad songs on I&W. "Another Day" is not bad, it's dreadful. |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: May 08 2009 at 11:54 |
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^By the way my post was actually aimed at the whole damn thing but the exchange between Harry and Mike was a perfect example....
And of course, I understand all of what Harry says, since it's pretty logical. I think we all can agree DT's revolutionary phase is way behind them now...
it's actually when a band's career enters the not-revolutionary stage when those who will always be fans appear... those who will listen to their music even if it's just slightly different from time to time. That's what any fanbase of a music band is based upon. Everybody can be fan of the novelty thing... Those who stick for ever are fans in the real sense of the word. Not a qualifying term anyway, it's neither good nor band to be a fan, but it's an explanation of what it means.
Hell... AC/DC started repeating themselves in the second record.... And using just three chords! DT at least uses tons of them...
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Moatilliatta
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Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: May 09 2009 at 12:37 |
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Yes, it's definitely a matter of inspiration. Dream Theater's recent music has not been backed by genuine feeling and inspiration. The thing is, if you're inspired, you're going to find a way to have your own sound, own identity, etc. It's not necessarily "experimentation" we're looking for, but rather an obviously creative, singular effort. Dream Theater's first few albums aren't what anyone would consider "experimental" music, but the band was definitely experimenting with new ideas for songwriting and performing constantly. This kept each album fresh and all the while DT never lost their identity. Now DT is just fooling around with styles for fun and such and it's not really from the heart. The songs on Systematic Chaos weren't bad songs; they were definitely written and performed by skilled musicians. They just weren't great songs. And with all the great music that exists out there, why would I want to settle of merely good music?
These new songs don't have an identity, and they don't have any soul. That's the main problem. And unfortunately for DT, they're not the only muscians capable of playing what they play anymore. Nowdays, there are bands that can play just as fast and just as complex of rhythm patterns and so on. And many of them are doing something that still sounds fresh, not just modifying the DT formula.
There are still plenty of bands doing new things, but only the truly inspired, passionate ones are the ones that you'll find yourself listening to. I agree that many great bands start to lose inspiration after 10-20 years. It's the same thing that happened to the greats of the 70s. I'm not disappointed in the least in them. It's completely understandable. And it's not like I don't have enough new music to listen to that I actually find to be great. Dream Theater will always have a special place in my life, but their reign over the world of progressive metal is obviously over.
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topofsm
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 13:00 |
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Sorry I'm interrupting another dead-horse-beaten conversation, but personally, I felt this single was sort of a reminder of "Pull Me Under" and "New Millenium", and I've listened to it twice. Not sure where the Forsaken parallels come from, but then again, I don't think C&C is prog, and everybody else seems to think so. |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 14:59 |
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^ I think that the similarity to Forsaken is primarily due to the melodic chorus part.
BTW: The video is now available on their website ... so everyone who missed the 24 hours of the mp3 download can now listen to the track again: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/video/view.aspx?songID=2462 |
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Diaby
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 15:18 |
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I'm not very satisfied. The chorus is mindblowing, but the first verse is awful and the solo is unnecessary (that's based on hearing the leaked version on YouTube...) |
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E-Dub
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 18:49 |
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I actually think the song is pretty cool. I've heard one other (15 minute epic) and it's really cool.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 19:01 |
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I somehow like that video. It's pretty cheesy, but also kinda cool. |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 19:12 |
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The video's production values are through the f**king roof. Roadrunner is pumping a lot of money into them...
Personally I like the song so far... and it sounds like they're going for a new direction in their music. Who knows! |
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The T
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Posted: May 09 2009 at 19:48 |
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Damn people... I couldn't resist... I heard 70% of the song..... I won't listen any more of the album until june 23 and july 24 when I have first row tickets...
Well... I like it. The main riff is just OK... Sounds very Octavarium-meets-SChaos.... but the chorus is actually almost a return, in melody, to the times of SFAM.... I like it very much. Yes, the song doesn't brek any new barriers... Well... DT have been around for more than 20 years... They don't HAVE to break any barriers anymore... leave that to new bands who are in that experimenting stage of their lives... At least this song is a good indication that I will enjoy the record.
The video is quite cool too. I don't like music videos that much but it was nice. Like the dark atmosphere. In general, I don't care for videos. But it's kinda cool.
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Alitare
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Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: May 09 2009 at 20:33 |
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I wonder how their next album will be...
I mean the one after BCSL. Would you say most bands go through stages? A beginning "test the waters phase" Kill Em All, When dream and day unite, Rage for Order, rocka rolla, etc... Moving into their creative peak RTL-AJFA, I&W-somewhere around 6DOIT, Mindcrime-Promised land, Sad wings-painkiller, etc... Leading into the slump Load-, TOT-, Q2K-, Ram it down-, etc. Leading into an attempt to either recapture the sound of old successes or experiment in a new way sometimes considered a ..."comeback" Death magnetic, BCSL, Mindcrime II/American Soldier, Nostradamus, etc. Is this the slump era for DT? Will this album lead them further into mediocrity? I don't feel they have hit rock bottom, just yet, because I still sort of liked SC, where as I absolutely despised Q2K... I will be getting this album no matter what, though. |
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 01:14 |
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It's not that DT isn't breaking any new barriers, it's that they don't sound inspired.
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topofsm
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 02:20 |
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The video was kind of boring, at least for me. I mean, there's the band playing in black outfits for most of the video, interspliced with a few freemasons doing some alchemic stuff. I dunno, boring.
The way the video was pulled off, plus the kind of poppy chorus made me think of Nightwish. I don't really know. They seem to be headed in that direction. Though the tempo change/more metallic riffing bridge in the middle of "A Rite of Passage" totally made me think of Trivium, so they're probably leaning towards more metal stuff too.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 02:28 |
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I personally get the feeling the "goth" tone of this album will be a one-off, or at least much more refined/toned-down on the next one. I can't imagine DT staying still with this image.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 03:06 |
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That is freaking hilarious. There's nothing more epic than playing in a fake snowstorm!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 04:27 |
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It almost has a "Creediness" to it.
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aapatsos
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 05:39 |
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Quite interesting video - I quite liked this darkish atmosphere.
The song is good, nothing too special, the chorus is typical melodic DT, the riffs are getting heavier and heavier. I think that's the right way for DT to go forward, heavier and heavier... |
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 15:03 |
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have not heard this single, am buying the album the day it comes out regardless
I for one liked Systematic Chaos (sans Constant Motion which wasn't THAT bad and Prophets of War which was better when Muse did it) a LOT more than the two albums that preceded it edit: listening to single now, liking it, and the video is lol Edited by heyitsthatguy - May 10 2009 at 15:05 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 10 2009 at 15:26 |
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By the way, in the second verse:
"Men of wealth and power Influence and fame Philosophers and leaders...." Wealth. Power. Influence. Fame. Philosophers. Oh God I lol'd.  |
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