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MovingPictures07 
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 Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:13 |
Since when was this thread about Thanksgiving? 
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:39 |
 King By-Tor wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
It's kind of an American thing, man
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Is it because everyone else in the world are a bunch of ingrates, or because we here in America are only grateful for what we have one lousy day a year?
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Dude, Thanksgiving is about Settlers and the Pilgrims, not literally "being thankful" - which is why AMERICANS who settled in AMERICA celebrate it
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Exactly. We Native Americans have nothing to do with it. 
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Tapfret
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:42 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Since when was this thread about Thanksgiving?
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The Pilgrims landed near Boston...DUH!!!! Which begs the question...was Plymouth Rock prog related or merely an album oriented rock?
Edited by Tapfret - November 29 2008 at 19:44
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:44 |
Tapfret wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Since when was this thread about Thanksgiving?
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The Pilgrims landed near Boston...DUH!!!!
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All I want is to have my piece of pie-hiiiiii!"
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Intruder
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Posted: December 01 2008 at 04:42 |
Boston is to Yes as the Rasberries are to the Beatles....Kansas is to Genesis as Poco is to CSNY.....Foreigner is to Led Zeppelin as Billy Joel is to Bob Dylan.
There are acts that mine Top 40 gold by bending popular sounds and styles into a shiny package suitable for that steady selling 12-24 age bracket....corporate rock! Boston is the Yes of corporate rock just as Kansas is its Genesis and Foreigner its Led Zep. Of course this was 30 years ago....I really couldn't tell you what goes on in the Top 40 these days.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: December 01 2008 at 05:37 |
jammun wrote:
Next up, Scorpions  |
Uhm... With Judas priest (for 'Rockarolla' and 'Sad Wings Of Destiny') and Saxon (for 'Saxon')...
Boston is a borderline band between Prog Related and AOR... But sure is not a band for this site because no Boston's song have Prog sentiment.
For me...:
Boston: NO!
Scorpions: NO!
Judas Priest: NO... But sure have produced two Prog albums!
Saxon: Their 1st album is Prog... But for the rest of career... NO!
these are 4 bands that someone could also be argued that are PR (and may even be) but that does not go well for a site like PA!
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rogerthat
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Posted: December 01 2008 at 10:21 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
jammun wrote:
Next up, Scorpions |
Scorpions: NO!
Judas Priest: NO... But sure have produced two Prog albums!
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Um, Lonesome Crow and Fly To The Rainbow, especially the former, have quite a lot of prog elements, perhaps more so than Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult, who are on the archives. Not that I want to see either - JP or Scorpions - on the archives because I honestly don't think prog-related is a very good idea. Everyone would be familiar with the bands I mentioned unless he/she was living under a rock or something, so if prog heads exploring new horizons is the idea, it is not served by adding well known bands. And again, if you add obscure bands with a tenuous connection to prog, the obvious question will be what they are doing here. Just my two cents!
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Philéas
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 15:44 |
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In response to the poll: Noooooooooo way.
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someone_else
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 08:30 |
I agree with you about Boston being prog related, but it is '2nd label', as most PR bands are.
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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jimidom
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 09:11 |
someone_else wrote:
I agree with you about Boston being prog related, but it is '2nd label', as most PR bands are.
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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Exactly! That's why I voted yes as well.
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"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 10:16 |
someone_else wrote:
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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With respect Someone else, that argument is not valid...."I vote for X even when it's a 2nd label, because there are other bands that have less reasons to be here"
Each band is here for it's Prog characteristics or is not for the lack of them, as simple as that, we don't compare two bands or have a progometer to know which one are here,k this has ceratin degree of subjectivity.
But adding somebody, even we know is not just because another non PR was added...well, I disagree witth that.
My 2 cents.
Iván
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jimidom
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 11:32 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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With respect Someone else, that argument is not valid...."I vote for X even when it's a 2nd label, because there are other bands that have less reasons to be here"
Each band is here for it's Prog characteristics or is not for the lack of them, as simple as that, we don't compare two bands or have a progometer to know which one are here,k this has ceratin degree of subjectivity.
But adding somebody, even we know is not just because another non PR was added...well, I disagree witth that.
My 2 cents.
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That totally makes sense in theory. In practice, however, the reality is that there have been a few bands added who are less "prog-related" than a few of those rejected. Too bad there isn't a "progmeter".
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"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 12:01 |
jimidom wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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With respect Someone else, that argument is not valid...."I vote for X even when it's a 2nd label, because there are other bands that have less reasons to be here"
Each band is here for it's Prog characteristics or is not for the lack of them, as simple as that, we don't compare two bands or have a progometer to know which one are here,k this has ceratin degree of subjectivity.
But adding somebody, even we know is not just because another non PR was added...well, I disagree witth that.
My 2 cents.
Iván |
That totally makes sense in theory. In practice, however, the reality is that there have been a few bands added who are less "prog-related" than a few of those rejected. Too bad there isn't a "progmeter". |
Another member suggested that there be a "general exceptions" category. I totally support that idea, and I think it's quite a feasible solution.
So Journey's first two or three albums might go in there, while the rest of their pop-rock discography can be left off the site.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 12:11 |
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^yeah, I was thinking similar to that few hours ago. I would apply that to all Prog-Related bands, though it would be a mess/chaos to delete albums that don't have prog leanings, lots of reviews in vain and other important stuff.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 12:55 |
Epignosis wrote:
jimidom wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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With respect Someone else, that argument is not valid...."I vote for X even when it's a 2nd label, because there are other bands that have less reasons to be here"
Each band is here for it's Prog characteristics or is not for the lack of them, as simple as that, we don't compare two bands or have a progometer to know which one are here,k this has ceratin degree of subjectivity.
But adding somebody, even we know is not just because another non PR was added...well, I disagree witth that.
My 2 cents.
Iván |
That totally makes sense in theory. In practice, however, the reality is that there have been a few bands added who are less "prog-related" than a few of those rejected. Too bad there isn't a "progmeter". |
Another member suggested that there be a "general exceptions" category. I totally support that idea, and I think it's quite a feasible solution.
So Journey's first two or three albums might go in there, while the rest of their pop-rock discography can be left off the site.
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General exceptions = whatever the hell we feel like?  
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 13:20 |
King By-Tor wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
jimidom wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Still there are some bands on PA which are less prog related than Boston, so I vote 'Yes'.
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With respect Someone else, that argument is not valid...."I vote for X even when it's a 2nd label, because there are other bands that have less reasons to be here"
Each band is here for it's Prog characteristics or is not for the lack of them, as simple as that, we don't compare two bands or have a progometer to know which one are here,k this has ceratin degree of subjectivity.
But adding somebody, even we know is not just because another non PR was added...well, I disagree witth that.
My 2 cents.
Iván |
That totally makes sense in theory. In practice, however, the reality is that there have been a few bands added who are less "prog-related" than a few of those rejected. Too bad there isn't a "progmeter". |
Another member suggested that there be a "general exceptions" category. I totally support that idea, and I think it's quite a feasible solution.
So Journey's first two or three albums might go in there, while the rest of their pop-rock discography can be left off the site.
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Prog Related = whatever the hell we feel like?
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Fixed.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 20:49 |
jimidom wrote:
That totally makes sense in theory. In practice, however, the reality is that there have been a few bands added who are less "prog-related" than a few of those rejected. Too bad there isn't a "progmeter". |
Please, if those bands are a mistake, and I agree some are...Does it means we have to make it worst adding other non related bands?
Iván
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jammun
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 21:15 |
I have developed a progometer and on a scale of 1 to 10, it indicates Boston rates about a 2. So we just need to determine the threshold number (2?, 3?, 4?) for prog-related.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 21:22 |
Hell is a never ending Boston thread
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Peter
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Posted: December 05 2008 at 21:34 |
 There actually is a "progometer," you know.
 It's called your BRAIN, and it's strongly supported by your gut and heart.
 The only problem with it is, yours only works for YOU, mine only works for me, etc....
Edited by Peter - December 05 2008 at 21:34
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