Can someone tell me... (Moody Blues/Procol Harum)

Wasnt rush doing something along those lines then?  Dont forget the great Return to Forever, of coarse, they're latin jazz.  But if we're going to talk prog, in my opinion, the words progressive rock shouldnt be mentioned without recognizing Chick Corea and the crew.  Afterall, where would all of us be without those song like "Spain" or "Senior Mouse".

I find there are many "Crossover prog" artists that ought to be in prog-related or proto-prog, and vice versa. Steely Dan was added to crossover, and I'd hardly call any albums theirs other than the Aja anything more than prog-related (in fact I was originally going to suggest that before they were ever put in this site, but others beat me to it! ). I guess your point supports that argument. There should be official voting sessions on what artist should be added to what sub-genre or something. That goes for a lot of prog metal bands too.

I have said it before. Why doesn´t PA do like allmusic, label bands according to many genres, as many bands touch many genres. One band can be at the same time, proto prog, eclectic, art.... etc

ITCOTCK is considered the first fully formed example of prog because of several features. I'm sure others could help me out on this but here's a starter list: (1) length of the tracks; (2) virtuosic instrumentation with each member of the band allowed opportunities to display his skills; (3) absolute lack of anything that could be used as a Top 40 single, at least because of length but also often because of free-flowing artistic exploration that goes far beyond the boundaries of commercial pop; (4) highly imaginative and "far out" concept album including song themes, album title, and cover; (5) long foray into instrumental experimentation and dissonance (second half of "Moon Child"); and (6) indulgence of musicians’ creative whims at the expense of what could reasonably be expected to fall within many listeners’ comfort zones (second half of "Moon Child"). With the mellotron, flute, and some of the melodies the album was definitely reminiscent of the Moody Blues and this fact was noted in the music press at the time, but the album was also widely recognized as a bold and exciting departure from anything that had been done before (i.e., they were taking what the Moodies and other bands did far beyond the limits of what had been considered commercially acceptable), and the Moodies (according to their producer Tony Clarke) felt threatened by their instrumental virtuosity. They needn’t have felt threatened because their strengths were in other areas (five gifted songwriters, four capable lead singers, outstanding harmonies, the wonderfully inimitable Justin Hayward, etc.).

 

As for PH, you are in for a treat. Their first three albums are probably their best and are important examples of proto-prog. Start with their first album, Procol Harum (1967), then move on to the second, Shine on Brightly (1968), then on to their third, A Salty Dog (1969). These were groundbreaking albums that played a major role in laying the foundation for prog. Especially note Keith Reed’s lyrics, Matthew Fisher’s Hammond organ, Gary Brooker’s vocals and piano, and both Brooker and Fisher’s sometimes classically tinged musical scores.

Maybe I've just been a moodies fan(snob) since I was like 12 years old.  Gonna give my Court and other crimson albums some spins these next couple of days. 

Is the first PH album titled "A whiter side of pale" or just plain PH? 

Thanks

Elliot Miller wrote: ITCOTCK is considered the first fully formed example of prog because of several features. I'm sure others could help me out on this but here's a starter list: (1) length of the tracks; (2) virtuosic instrumentation with each member of the band allowed opportunities to display his skills; (3) absolute lack of anything that could be used as a Top 40 single, at least because of length but also often because of free-flowing artistic exploration that goes far beyond the boundaries of commercial pop; (4) highly imaginative and "far out" concept album including song themes, album title, and cover; (5) long foray into instrumental experimentation and dissonance (second half of "Moon Child"); and (6) indulgence of musicians’ creative whims at the expense of what could reasonably be expected to fall within many listeners’ comfort zones (second half of "Moon Child"). With the mellotron, flute, and some of the melodies the album was definitely reminiscent of the Moody Blues and this fact was noted in the music press at the time, but the album was also widely recognized as a bold and exciting departure from anything that had been done before (i.e., they were taking what the Moodies and other bands did far beyond the limits of what had been considered commercially acceptable), and the Moodies (according to their producer Tony Clarke) felt threatened by their instrumental virtuosity. They needn’t have felt threatened because their strengths were in other areas (five gifted songwriters, four capable lead singers, outstanding harmonies, the wonderfully inimitable Justin Hayward, etc.).   As for PH, you are in for a treat. Their first three albums are probably their best and are important examples of proto-prog. Start with their first album, Procol Harum (1967), then move on to the second, Shine on Brightly (1968), then on to their third, A Salty Dog (1969). These were groundbreaking albums that played a major role in laying the foundation for prog. Especially note Keith Reed’s lyrics, Matthew Fisher’s Hammond organ, Gary Brooker’s vocals and piano, and both Brooker and Fisher’s sometimes classically tinged musical scores.

   both belongs to the right spots , the same category of music , as prog rock music , but different elements and inclination to pop . and as defined by PA  , regarding proto & crossover , imo , the'y are both in the right places , by taking into consideration all their works .