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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2008 at 23:15
Two posts in, and this dumb, baiting topic on a prog forum?Stern%20Smile
 
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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2008 at 23:30
Notice he didn't respond to any of you (almost two months now) , and the use of the mocking "tongue stuck out" emoticon -- also I can't seem to even find his other post.
 
Hook line and sinker, you poor progholes.
 
Jesus -- some of you wrote veritable essays on this obviously bogus, supremely silly subject! Shocked
 
 
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Edited by Peter - April 10 2008 at 23:34
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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Notice he didn't respond to any of you (almost two months now) , and the use of the mocking "tongue stuck out" emoticon -- also I can't seem to even find his other post.
 
Hook line and sinker, you poor progholes.
 
Jesus -- some of you wrote veritable essays on this obviously bogus, supremely silly subject! Shocked
 
 
Hi Cert! Too much time on your hands, & no one to talk to? You could have talked to me....Wink
 
What the heck - it's an interesting topic, whether purposefully or not. Tongue
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^ Well okay Certo, the "what do you think of it" part" I suppose -- but "modern dance music?"ConfusedLOL
 
 
I thought it was a proghole wind-up as soon as I read it -- that's why I checked into the poster.
 
We do get defensive....Geek
 
Carry on -- here's a new, meaty topic to wax scholarly upon: do you think "Twinkle Twinkle" is prog? I mean, it's got Jon Anderson-like lyrics, a science fiction / nature of the universe theme....Ermm
 
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Interestingly Tomorrow Never Knows was a important dance record in Muzik Magazine 50 most important dance records of all time. This was over James Brown

The most important music of the 20th Century. The records which have shaped the music we hear today, from trance to trip hop, from big beat to Basement Jaxx. Everything starts with these...

1) The Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" (EMI 1966)
(Revolver L.P.)

Every idea ever used in dance music exists in this song. The first track recorded for the epochal Revolver L.P., Tomorrow Never Knows (the title lifted from the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was an acid-soaked masterpiece of prime psychedelia. Distorted guitars, Lennon's treated vocals, endless overdubs and the backwards drum loops all prefigure in some way the idea of sampling technology, while the group's interest in transcendental meditation - letting yourself be transported, disorientated, tripped out lies at the heart of everyone's club experiences. Recorded amazingly, only three years after the saccharine pop of She Loves You, this is untouchable genius.

The Chemical Brothers, The Beta Band

One minor point I don't hear any backward drum loops in this song. Strawberry Fields Forever has it.  Though I understand what there saying I am not in total agreement with their veiw of the song.



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Originally posted by MHDTV MHDTV wrote:

It's considered one of the first Psychedelic songs.
 
Clap I can't agree more with that.
Phil Collins cover of this song is quite good as well on his first solo album.
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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

^ Well okay Certo, the "what do you think of it" part" I suppose -- but "modern dance music?"ConfusedLOL
 
 
I thought it was a proghole wind-up as soon as I read it -- that's why I checked into the poster.
 
We do get defensive....Geek
 
Carry on -- here's a new, meaty topic to wax scholarly upon: do you think "Twinkle Twinkle" is prog? I mean, it's got Jon Anderson-like lyrics, a science fiction / nature of the universe theme....Ermm
 
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Well, there is a rumour that Mozart wrote "Twinkle Twinkle" aged 5...
 
However, the fount of all knowledge, Wikipedia states that the melody is a French tune, published in 1761 (co-incidentally, the same year in which Wolfie celebrated his 5th birthday...).  The only certain Mozart connection is that he wrote a set of variations on the tune several years later. The lyrics were penned by Ann and Jane Taylor, and published in 1806 http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/2113.html. I must admit, the quality of the lyrical content does seem around the same level as Mr Andersons... Tongue
 
As for Modern Dance Music, I think that Mr Garten would be able to illuminate the proggy tendencies of *some* of it. I'd recommend the album "Peel Sessions" by the Orb as a starter.
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by MHDTV MHDTV wrote:

It's considered one of the first Psychedelic songs.
 
Phil Collins cover of this song is quite good as well on his first solo album.
1. Why do people confuse 'promoters' with 'inventors/innovators'.?
2. In my day the Beatles were said to be the great absorbers and spottersof musical trends, but admittedly they could seemingly without effort come up with beatlesque forms of others' music. This is true with psychedelia, for example Great Society's great psychedelic anthem White Rabbit was written and being played publically in 1965. A year for popular music was a bloody long time for change to happen.
3. If you think Phil Collins's version of TNK is 'quite good', check out Phil Manzanera's 801, Wayne Krantz, and/or Dave Fuiczynski's versions.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by MHDTV MHDTV wrote:

It's considered one of the first Psychedelic songs.
 
Phil Collins cover of this song is quite good as well on his first solo album.
1. Why do people confuse 'promoters' with 'inventors/innovators'.?
2. In my day the Beatles were said to be the great absorbers and spottersof musical trends, but admittedly they could seemingly without effort come up with beatlesque forms of others' music. This is true with psychedelia, for example Great Society's great psychedelic anthem White Rabbit was written and being played publically in 1965. A year for popular music was a bloody long time for change to happen.
3. If you think Phil Collins's version of TNK is 'quite good', check out Phil Manzanera's 801, Wayne Krantz, and/or Dave Fuiczynski's versions.
 
I disagree with point 1 and 2 entirely.  Rock and Roll on a whole started by absorbing existing styles like country and blues into something new which became Rock and Roll.  Rubber Soul in 1965 already shows traces of psychedelic rock  with the sitar drones and dreamy vocals of  "Norwegian Wood".  "Nowhere Man" is basically psychedelic pop and  "The Word" lyrically and it's extended organ drones is proto-psychedelic rock. 
 
"Tomorrow Never Knows" uses Indian Music and avant/ musique concrete that certainly invents something new in rock music and pop music in general.  The first track recorded for the epochal Revolver L.P., Tomorrow Never Knows (the title lifted from the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was an acid-soaked masterpiece of prime psychedelia. Distorted guitars, Lennon's treated vocals, endless overdubs and the backwards drum loops all prefigure in some way the idea of sampling technology, while the group's interest in transcendental meditation - letting yourself be transported, disorientated, tripped out lies at the heart of everyone's club experiences. Recorded amazingly, only three years after the saccharine pop of She Loves You, this is untouchable genius.
 
 
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Points: 20032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2008 at 16:04
Whilst I agree with that last paragraph, I'm getting the feeling it's not entirely original.
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Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

^ Well okay Certo, the "what do you think of it" part" I suppose -- but "modern dance music?"ConfusedLOL
 
 
I thought it was a proghole wind-up as soon as I read it -- that's why I checked into the poster.
 
We do get defensive....Geek
 
Carry on -- here's a new, meaty topic to wax scholarly upon: do you think "Twinkle Twinkle" is prog? I mean, it's got Jon Anderson-like lyrics, a science fiction / nature of the universe theme....Ermm
 
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I increasingly think we/I have a problem with the semantically challeged.
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Points: 905 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 21:53
Prog? No. Progressive? Without a doubt. That song was completely groundbreaking and insanely ahead of its time.

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