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Cesar Inca 
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 Posted: April 19 2008 at 21:30 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Well, we are slowly moving into a General Rock site.
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Arguably, the most accurate observation in this thread!!!
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The Rock
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Posted: April 19 2008 at 23:24 |
Why don't you people only selec a few key albums per artists in the prog-related category.
A selected discography only for bands such as Iron Maiden,The Beatles,The Who,Zeppelin,Journey,ect...
No one is arguing(at least not me) the influence and importance of albums such as Sgt-Peppers and Magical Mystery tour but do we need to read reviews of A Hard Days Night?
Ditto for Maiden;Somewhere in Time and Powerslave are OK but Killers?!?
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath,OK,but Born Again?Not sure.
I agree that Journey is NOT a progressive band,but I can't deny that their first three albums were of prog persuations and even jazz/fusion inclined in parts.But we will eventually end up reading about albums such as Departure and the like.
As I say,this rule should only apply to those bands in the prog-related category.
Edited by The Rock - April 20 2008 at 00:52
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 19 2008 at 23:38 |
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I will never stop believin' Journey is prog.
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micky
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 00:43 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 01:34 |
The Rock wrote:
Ditto for Maiden;Somewhere in Time and Powerslave are OK but Killers?!?
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Maiden's first two records were quite progressive for metal at the time, and this lack of historical understanding is what leads to these outbursts
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 02:40 |
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Burzum's album "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" was quite progressive at its time, let's add that!
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 02:45 |
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 02:47 |
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Oh come on! It completely redefined what it meant to be black metal! Epic, long songs, ambient tracks, and emphasis on beauty and contemplation rather than childish Satanism and dissonance. Nothing else like it existed back in '94!
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 02:51 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
Oh come on! It completely redefined what it meant to be black metal! Epic, long songs, ambient tracks, and emphasis on beauty and contemplation rather than childish Satanism and dissonance. Nothing else like it existed back in '94!
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No, it was childish Norwegian nationalism with Burzum. 
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 02:57 |
stonebeard wrote:
No, it was childish Norwegian nationalism with Burzum.
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Only in the interviews!
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 02:59 |
Oh, and the childish church-burning. That was on an album cover. 
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 03:00 |
Oh, and the childish former bandmate killing. That definitely influenced his music a bit. 
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Easy Livin
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 06:44 |
Journey only here please. 
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The Rock
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Posted: April 20 2008 at 06:59 |
Atavachron wrote:
The Rock wrote:
Ditto for Maiden;Somewhere in Time and Powerslave are OK but Killers?!?
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Maiden's first two records were quite progressive for metal at the time, and this lack of historical understanding is what leads to these outbursts
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I have been into music/prog since the late 70's,and save a few tracks(Phantom of the opera,Gengis Khan,ect...) most of those early Maiden albums were/are punk/metal to me.Of course maybe if we put them into context of the early 80's they might sound a bit forward thinking but the same can be said about the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds yet we don'g get to read about them in PA.
Anyway,back to the subject of this thread;Journey.
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What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop"
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 03:08 |
Hmmm - another Admin member's post appears to be invisible... 
We repeat - this is a thread about Journey.
Thank you.
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prog4evr
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 09:53 |
markosherrera wrote:
The albums before Perry =progrelated |
Tama 'yan! (that's right)...
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rushfan4
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 23:17 |
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For what little this is worth, other than another post to get my prog-fan card revoked, the bands that I have seen most often in concert are Rush, Yes, and than Journey. Of course, in the boundaries of Prog Archives that doesn't mean all that much since I tend to prefer the poppier side of prog. I am of the opinion however, that Journey does belong on Prog Archives because of those first 3 jazz-rock/fusion albums. After those 3 albums, they demonstrate excellent pop rock/arena-oriented rock tendencies. There might be some prog tendencies sprinkled throughout, but there is most likely noone who would argue that they were a prog rock band after those first three albums, although I think that their 2 most recent albums might possibly fall weakly under the neo category. Based on those first 3 albums, quite frankly, Journey could very well be included in the jazz/rock fusion category, but instead, the Admins have chosen to delegate them to Prog-related, most likely because of the remainder of their catalogue. Doesn't mean that anybody has to like their inclusion, but I personally believe that it is fully justified based on this site's guidelines. Just my two cents.
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Padraic
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Posted: April 21 2008 at 23:52 |
I know a little about early Journey and I have no problem with that material being on this site; one wonders, however, about the policy of a band being "in" here at PA means that their entire catalog is listed....and the inevitable reviews of Steve Perry-era Journey albums on the front page....don't get me wrong, I enjoy Journey (not a hater at all, they're a good band), but the bulk of their career isn't applicable - really just want to question that "all or nothing" policy. I guess the problem lies in drawing the line, my mind immediately goes to a band like Genesis - which albums would you exclude? I suppose the argument for "all or nothing" inclusion is to avoid this new set of arguments.... Rambling over. 
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b_olariu
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 06:59 |
So where is Journey added, still working guys???? 
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Tapfret
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Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:36 |
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Please tell me this is a joke.
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