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FruMp ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 16 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 322 |
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I agree with the topic creator, 30-50 minute albums are generally more coherent and usually the material is the absolute best of the artist at the time. These days artists seem quite reluctant to cut songs from albums even though this is one of the most important parts of constructing a good album.
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Marwin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 13 2005 Status: Offline Points: 166 |
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I totally agree here long albums tend to feel forced in a way and are never quite the masterpiece as shorter ones. Of course there are exceptions
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lightyearday ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 16 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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I make this point on my site actually;
due to the sonic limitations of vinyl, albums couldn’t really be much longer than, on average, 40 minutes - 20 minutes per side. (This was one of the reasons the double album, then triple album became so popular at the time).
Now I have to admit, I don’t have the time to sit and listen to a 70 minute CD. In addition, my experience is that artists tend to over-populate their albums with songs and pieces of music that, had there been more stringent restrictions on album lengh, simply wouldn’t have been selected.
I also think ( and this is only an opinion) that this goes a long way to understanding why there are so many classic albums from the 70’s and early 80’s, but fewer since the advent of CD; Quality control! You had only so much space on your record, so you made sure it was the best material you had at that time. Of course, it also explains why classic artists from this time could have 6 albums out in 4 years; in this day and age of 2007, it’s not unusual for an album to appear only every 4 years from a major artist. Edited by lightyearday - November 22 2007 at 08:10 |
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Prog-jester ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5908 |
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35-55 minutes =
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ClassicRocker ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 894 |
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Dim ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
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Yeah, sometimes it's hard to get through a super long album likeall of Tools or GY!BE. I feel the best timed albums are the fifty minuete long ones, easy to digest, and at the same time can pack an epic or two.
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Very few is any artists can pull off 80 minutes of solid material.
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endlessepic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2006 Status: Offline Points: 354 |
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I agree with the original poster. I bought "Amputechture" by TMV and found it very difficult to enjoy all the way through, I bought "Close To The Edge" for the same price, which is way shorter in overall length and I didn't feel cheated in the least. If TMV had just picked the best of that album I would have enjoyed it more than throwing millions of hours of music on there.
However, if ELP had made a 79 minute album in between Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery I think I would enjoy every second. |
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Zargus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 08 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3491 |
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The longer the beter.. and some filler is always nice. |
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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I think that when it's a conceptual album 80+ minutes work. Lamb lies down, The Wall,Tommy and Quadaphenia those are all great albums.
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Astrodomine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 06 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 182 |
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cacha71 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 31 2007 Location: Planet Earth Status: Offline Points: 326 |
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I think that the issue is highly subjective but I agree that some astists do overdo the length just for the sake of it. However, not really that many do - I can't say that I have too many albums exceding 60 minutes and even fewer that I am bored with.
I agree with one of the previous posts, though, which points out that vinyls were often restrictive and left you wanting more. I'm sure there were often times when artists wished they had just that five minutes extra space! It must be pointed out that artists then always had the option of making a double album (in which case they had to come up with another 40 minutes of equally inspired material to fill the second record!), whereas now there is more flexibility.
Having said all this, 80 minutes is an awful long time to hold the attention of the audience and any artist who manages to do this is truly great!
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MajesterX ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 513 |
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For many people, including me, albums are an experience and they MUST be listened in one sitting. If albums as we know them generally carry a certain feeling or concept, it's extremely difficult to create them in this manner without it getting old. I'd rather get 40 minutes from a band every 2 years than 80 minutes every 2 years. Listening involves a listener's interpretation of the meaning of me music, and when you make albums that are too long to follow, you cut this process short of what it could be. |
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progismylife ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
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I don't think 80 minute long albums are that bad. Like KingCrimson776 said, you don't have to sit through the whole album in one listen.
I bought Neal Morse - Sola Scriptura awhile ago. I was luckily able to get a couple of listens to it uninterrupted. Aside from those instances where I have lots of free time, I usual only listen to it in parts (in this case song by song). Mostly I get used to the album by playing it while working at my desk or other lengthy activities that require long hours of sitting. and doing work. I end up listening to the good parts and drowning out filler. And I also prefer some short albums as well. I'd take 30-50 and 60+ |
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andu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
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If I can't sit through a whole album and have a nice experience then it's not worth it, for me of course.
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emkogceo ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: October 12 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 70 |
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This is an interesting topic. On one hand, it can seem pretentious if a band puts 80 minutes on an album- it's as if they're saying "we have all of this great music that's worth releasing." But today, it can seem just as pretentious to release a 40-minute album- it's like saying "you album buyers should be happy with just 40 minutes of our wonderful material."
Of course another important thing is how good the music actually is, but this is a lot more subjective than people in the 79-minute-album debate often realize. People always seem to say, for example, that The Lamb would have been a great single album but is a weak double album. But when pressed on what would be cut, everyone has different opinions. If Foxtrot and SEBTP had come out together as a double album, I'm sure people would have said the same thing. Even 40-50 minute albums have their weak points, but they don't feel as much like "filler" since they're on shorter albums. 10 years ago, I preferred buying longer albums, but since there's so much more great music so easily available now, I think artists sort of owe it to people to trim their albums a little bit so that the listener doesn't have to devote 80 minutes of time to an album to give it a fair evaluation. Of course, this is coming from someone who is about to release a 70-minute album, so I'm not exactly practicing what I preach. |
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ClassicRocker ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 894 |
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Most likely it would have been extremely enjoyable.. imagine a TFTO-style album that's essentially Tarkus X 4! (Or maybe that album would just have a mix of the tracks from Works Vol. I & II ! ![]() |
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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Hm...something just came up my mind... If a modern artist wants to publish an album 80 mins long, it's most likely it will contain (a few) fillers. If the same artist is restricted with the vinyl limitations, (s)he will have to pick better tracks and kick out fillers, right?
Well...
If one really wants to publish an hour+ of music, why they don't just pick the best tunes, 40-50 mins long, making a masterpiece concept and the rest pile at the end as bonus tracks?? For me, bonus tracks are not the integral part of the album but if someone wants to listen, they're here, anyway. Edited by clarke2001 - November 23 2007 at 03:06 |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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Frankly, I think there was more filler back in the Vinyl Age.
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Terra Australis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 03 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 809 |
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What are you going to think when we consistently get albums that are 10 hours long because the new medium allows for it?
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