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Blacksword
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 06:46 | |||
I thought it was, when it came out and I loved it for that reason! I was at school and it did suck!! The song is highly relevant to the plot IMO, but Floyd were very shrewd, when they chose it to be the single for the album. It was bound to strike a chord with kids who had no idea about the 'plot' of the album. It became an anti school song for a whole generation. Genius! |
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tdbark
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Posted: March 31 2007 at 22:35 | |||
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/the_madness_and_majesty_of_pink_floyd
This makes for a very interesting read.
The following applies directly to this discussion:
Waters and Gilmour had famously shown contempt for each other for a quarter-century -- each felt the other had tried to dishonor his life's work and hinder his future. After Waters started a solo career in 1984, he went on to disparage his former bandmates. Guitarist and singer Gilmour, he said, "doesn't have any ideas," and drummer Mason "can't play" (Waters had long before thrown keyboardist Wright out of the band). Gilmour gave as good as he got. When he took his version of the band on tour, he appropriated Waters' most famous prop, a gigantic pig balloon, and attached testicles to it, which some read as a commentary on how he viewed the band's former bassist. ("So they put balls on my pig," Waters said. "F**k them.")
Despite both triumphs and wounds, the band's members couldn't escape a certain bond -- not just a hatred for one another, but also a realization that without the community they once had, their music could never have mattered.
Waters, having set aside his higher education and any other ambitions, now made Pink Floyd his purpose. "He was the one," Gilmour told Barry Miles, "who had the courage to drive Syd out, because he realized that as long as Syd was in the band, they wouldn't keep it together, the chaos factor was too great. Roger always looked up to Syd and felt very guilty about the fact that he'd blown out his mate." Others, though, credited Gilmour -- now lead singer as well as lead guitarist -- with changing Pink Floyd's direction. In contrast to Barrett, Gilmour favored a more clearly structural and melodic approach. It was both this collaboration and competition between Waters and Gilmour that would largely drive Pink Floyd toward its triumphs, though it would also make for its troubles. In his early days in the band, Gilmour was already reacting to Waters' domineering manner, describing him as "a pushy sort of person."
There is more in the Magazine itself... The online exerpt ends about halfway through the article. I read the entire article this morning and my impressions were that, as Waters took over the band, the musicality of the band suffered as Waters stripped the sound as much as possible, likewise Gilmour fought to keep the band musically interesting. So the comparisons to Lennon and McCartney are very apt. Gilmour is recognized as a great guitarist, musically sound and strong in arranging. Waters writing voice carried the messages and his visual acuity strengthened the band's live performances. Without each other, they could not come close to the greatness they achieved as a "true group/partnership." However, one can make a very strong argument that the Gilmour-led Floyd far out shone the Waters solo efforts. Edited by tdbark - March 31 2007 at 22:38 |
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dedokras
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 04:01 | |||
"Have you heard Broken China by Rick Wright? Perhaps along with ATD the two near perfect solo ' floyd' albums."
Absolutely agree with this statement!
"However, one can make a very strong argument that the Gilmour-led Floyd far out shone the Waters solo efforts."
I don't think so, IMO Amused... as well as Broken China were far better than Division and Momentary.
Regarding the possibility of a drier Dark Side, I think it actually was better Waters couldn't do it his way, because now as a result we have 4 different masterpieces in a row instead of 4 Animals albums (although Animals is my all time favourite album).
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Floydoid
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 07:26 | |||
I tend to agree up to a point. The Floyd were a four-way partnership, two 'architects' in Roger & Nick, and two 'artists' in Dave and Rick. I think they were driven by the tensions between them, and the leadership of Roger. The great shame was when Rick was fired during the making of the Wall. Both that album and the Final Cut could have been quite different had Rick still been contributing his talents. |
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darksideof
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Posted: April 02 2007 at 23:24 | |||
agreeee !!another prove? look at richard wright and dave albums from the 70's then you will know what finnforest is taking about. Pink Floyd would of being a totally disaster withour Roger. Edited by darksideof - April 02 2007 at 23:27 |
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Hippie
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Posted: April 03 2007 at 18:10 | |||
What a load of
Any real fan knows that Rick Wright was the backbone of the Pink Floyd sound in the 70s.
You need to go and do your homework! For a start Rick Wright was the only member of Pink Floyd who was classically trained. Look at the array of keyboards he played - Farfisa, Hammond, Leslie, Moog, Fender Rhodes, Hohner, Mellotron synthesizer, Roland, Kurzweil, baby and grand pianos to name but a few! He also played trombone.
This is one of the most sensible things that anyone has said in this thread (and particularly the bit I've emboldened). Edited by Hippie - April 03 2007 at 18:29 |
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