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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2007 at 17:53
The Peter Brotzmann Octet- Machine Gun
is  awonderful disc....though the copy I got (originally recorded in '68!!!!!) suffers mildly from bad sound production....BUT the listening experience itself is unique and like nothing else I have ever heard....so YES I endorse this recommendation!  Utter melodic chaotic craziness....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2007 at 19:06
Hey,

There's no guitar in it but I really want to highlight Soft Mountain's self-titled album. It just came out and features Elton Dean and Hugh Hopper alongside Yoshida Tatsuya (Ruins) and Hoppy Kamiyama. Absolutely amazing free-improv, the Hopper/Yoshida rhythm section is just tremendous. Highly recommended!

Wayside has it for a reasonable price ($16 I think).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2007 at 19:18
Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

Hey,

There's no guitar in it but I really want to highlight Soft Mountain's self-titled album. It just came out and features Elton Dean and Hugh Hopper alongside Yoshida Tatsuya (Ruins) and Hoppy Kamiyama. Absolutely amazing free-improv, the Hopper/Yoshida rhythm section is just tremendous. Highly recommended!

Wayside has it for a reasonable price ($16 I think).

i've been searching for this one... sounds great!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2007 at 20:18
I hear the Sun City Girls are pretty good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2007 at 00:45
but are they avant jazz??  always though of em as sheer avant-folkrock-ethno-forgery-madness!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2007 at 21:05
The Sun City Girls are very good.
Even if it isn't jazz it is still amazing music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 18:25
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Try this one:

Kieran Hebden and Steve Reid. The Exchange session vol. 1
 
do you know how Vol. II is?


No, but I'm planning to.

Some more reccomendations. A little random. Some old, some new, well known, unknown, but I love them all:


A brand new Shining album Grindstone


Medeski, Martin & Wood The Dropper


Otomo Yoshihide, Park Je Chun, Mi Yeon: Loose Community


Horde Catalytique Pour La Fin: Gestation Sonore


Dedalus Materiale Per Tre Esecutori E Nastro Magnetico


Norman Connors Dark of Light


Herbie Hancock Crossings


Miles Davis Dark Magus

BTW:Avalanchemaster: I am looking for dissonant, weird/experimental jazz (fusion?) that utilizes guitars.... Zeuhl is basically all that, but you probably know that already?



Edited by Rocktopus - March 06 2007 at 18:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 21:30
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


BTW:Avalanchemaster: I am looking for dissonant, weird/experimental jazz (fusion?) that utilizes guitars.... Zeuhl is basically all that, but you probably know that already?


On the contrary... zeuhl has very little to do with avant jazz, although a lot of it is fusionish. But most zeuhl also downplays the role of the guitar. Great stuff but the recommendation is off target I think.

For fusion heads the rest of your reccos are pretty great - the new Shining is really growing on me; I like it a lot better than their last one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 23:50
Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:

AMM - AMMusic
 
Gotta highlight this one. I just recieved it today and it's an instant favourite. I' ve never heard anything quite like it, and nothing has ever brought about a feeling quite like that album does.
 
A couple of other relevant CDs i recieved are the reissue of the first Incus release, "The Topography of the Lungs", which is great, and Albert Ayler's "Spiritual Unity", which i haven't listened to just yet, but i'm sure it'll be as great as i'm expecting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 01:14
Rocktopus:

check out Rope (from Chicago) for experimental, dissonant, weird stuff.  It is truly amazing stuff.  their new one is called "Heresy, and then nothing but tears"....highly recommended for this type of stuff. 

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/spip.php?article492

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 03:41
Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


BTW:Avalanchemaster: I am looking for dissonant, weird/experimental jazz (fusion?) that utilizes guitars.... Zeuhl is basically all that, but you probably know that already?


On the contrary... zeuhl has very little to do with avant jazz, although a lot of it is fusionish. But most zeuhl also downplays the role of the guitar. Great stuff but the recommendation is off target I think. OK. You seem to know a lot more than me about this. How about the first couple of Magma's? Must have someting to do with the avantjazz of the late 60's early 70's?

For fusion heads the rest of your reccos are pretty great - the new Shining is really growing on me; I like it a lot better than their last one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 04:02
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

Rocktopus:

check out Rope (from Chicago) for experimental, dissonant, weird stuff.  It is truly amazing stuff.  their new one is called "Heresy, and then nothing but tears"....highly recommended for this type of stuff. 



Oooo, its brilliant. Strangely it reminded me quite a bit of this favorite, french, NWW-list, obscurity of mine, its almost like they've must have heard Horrific Child:

So I guess I'll reccomend you that one.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 12:01
Originally posted by con safo con safo wrote:


If madness is your bag.. definitely check out Machine Gun

 
Good call! The first time I heard Machine Gun I couldn't even work out what instruments were making that incredible noise!
 
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Edited by A B Negative - March 08 2007 at 12:02
"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 23:18
This is a post I made in my I Recommend thread and I post it here at the request of Avalanchemaster (the thread starter):
After being exposed lately to some of the jazz/avant jazz and related scenes I ordered several cd's from various groups/ensembles/musicians and among them were several of the projects of guitarist Nels Cline.
Obviously, he's not the only one I got to konw in this "research" I am doing, but I thought of starting with him.
 
Instead of me introducing him, let me point you here - http://www.nelscline.com/
 
and here - http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14490 where you will find the most elaborate bio and projects descriptions.
 
 
Here are some reviews of the albums I purchased:
 
 
And something else to add besides that post:
I also got some Tim Berne albums:
Hard Cell - Feign and Electric and Acoustic Hard Cell Live
Ornery People
Science Friction (studio and live recordings)
Big Satan - Live Incognito
 
Must say I am fascinated with the free feel that seems to be spilling from these albums. The percussions and drums are wonderful as is the organized chaos or chaotic order in there. Wonderful musicians.
 
Review by Brandon (progreviews from the posts above) - http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=tb-lc
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2007 at 23:45
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

This is a post I made in my I Recommend thread and I post it here at the request of Avalanchemaster (the thread starter):
After being exposed lately to some of the jazz/avant jazz and related scenes I ordered several cd's from various groups/ensembles/musicians and among them were several of the projects of guitarist Nels Cline.
Obviously, he's not the only one I got to konw in this "research" I am doing, but I thought of starting with him.
 
Instead of me introducing him, let me point you here - http://www.nelscline.com/
 
and here - http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14490 where you will find the most elaborate bio and projects descriptions.
 
 
Here are some reviews of the albums I purchased:
 
 
And something else to add besides that post:
I also got some Tim Berne albums:
Hard Cell - Feign and Electric and Acoustic Hard Cell Live
Ornery People
Science Friction (studio and live recordings)
Big Satan - Live Incognito
 
Must say I am fascinated with the free feel that seems to be spilling from these albums. The percussions and drums are wonderful as is the organized chaos or chaotic order in there. Wonderful musicians.
 
Review by Brandon (progreviews from the posts above) - http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=tb-lc
 
 
 
 
I forgot to mention one more album I got from Wayside according to the advice of one of the posters in this thread (forgot who, sorry...).
Woodson's Ellipsis, Rich - Control And Resistance
Here's a description I found somewhere else:
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Rich Woodson is a self-taught composer and guitarist who grew up on hard rock and heavy metal in Nashville, TN and San Antonio and Austin, TX. His major musical influences are Tim Berne, Frank Zappa, Watchtower (the 1980's Austin metal band, who invented the "technical metal" subgenre) and composer Charles Wuorinen. This debut CD is a bold and brilliant synthesis of avant, rock, modern jazz and contemporary composition. A quintet using the simple instrumentation of tenor sax, soprano sax, guitar, acoustic bass & drums. There is simply so much musical information going on here that I am sometimes reminded of the first time I heard Trout Mask Replica where multiple playings are necessary to reveal all of the hidden musical treasure... Ellipsis is Peter Epstein and Aaron Stewart on saxes, Richard Woodson on el. guitar & compositions, Mat Fields on acoustic bass and John Hollenbeck on drums. A most impressive progressive debut from a local guitarist and composer who has been at our shop a few times through the years. I also recognize both sax players - Aaron Stewart also comes to DMG often and plays for Muhal Richard Abrams & just saw him with the Julius Hemphill Sax Sextet at the Vision Fest this week. Peter Epstein has cds on MA and is in a trio with Tronzo & J. Granelli. Drummer John Hollenbeck's name seems to pop up in many different downtown units. This release features the music of a very talented newcomer - Richard Woodson. The instrumentation here would lead one to anticipate that this a jazz ensemble, but this is not the case. Although these are jazz players, this music is not involved with swinging, yet it is still rich and varied in content. On the other hand, it doesn't rock hard either. The writing/playing is still somewhat busy, but never too dense and always intricate and well centered. All but two of these pieces are pretty short, yet constantly change to keep everyone on their toes. This music is not about solos either, it is about challenging ensemble playing. It is surprising to hear an acoustic bassist in this progressive context, yet it consistently works. This wonderful music probably comes from a more modern classical background and occasionally reminds me of Henry Cow or Gentle Giant, but not as far out. There are a few layers of inter-locking parts which are in constant motion, so it takes concentration to hear all that is going on. Rich tells me that Ellipsis hasn't played live in three years, so I will have to give them the opportunity to come out of hibernation once more. Prog-heads show your support and purchase this fine work" -BLG
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Here's a myspace:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2007 at 19:43
Grand Ulena- gateway to dignity

got this disc in the mail today from Family Vineyard and it is a smoking instrumental trio (guitar/bass/drums) who play stuff in the Rope vein.  Features one member from The Dazzling Killmen on bass.....good stuff and totally insane! 

http://www.grandulena.com/




(also check out the Family Vineyard link on the above site to get some info on other interesting artists....)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2007 at 20:11
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

Grand Ulena- gateway to dignity

got this disc in the mail today from Family Vineyard and it is a smoking instrumental trio (guitar/bass/drums) who play stuff in the Rope vein.  Features one member from The Dazzling Killmen on bass.....good stuff and totally insane! 

http://www.grandulena.com/




(also check out the Family Vineyard link on the above site to get some info on other interesting artists....)
 
 
Thanks for the info, sounds like my thing too. Will hunt this down.
 
Right now an listening to Ut Gret - Time of the Grets and loving every minute.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2007 at 21:28
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

If you are looking for guitar fronted Avant-jazz I would have to say "Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden's" first album 'Report From Iron Mountain' is essential.



by Dan Grunebaum


Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden

What happens when some of the more mischievous characters in the Japanese experimental underground get together to form a superband? The 11-piece juggernaut Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden would seem to be the answer.

Formed by Naruyoshi Kikuchi out of the remains of his longstanding free jazz collective Tipographica, the group is fronted by guitarist Yoshihide Otomo, originally known for his guitar work with the New Jazz Quintet. DCPRG also includes fellow New Jazz Quintet members Kenta Tsugami and Yasuhiro Yoshigaki.

Taking as their jumping off point the intersection between free jazz and improvisational electronica, DCPRG made something of a minor splash with the release of their January debut, Report from Iron Mountain (P-Vine).

Named after a confidential US government war report as well as a live house where the band has appeared, Iron Mountain immediately established DCPRG, along with the Boredoms and Rovo, as leaders of the Japanese post-rock movement.

Meanwhile, this Sunday's event at Liquid Room will see DCPRG in the company of some of the producers it worked with on its most recent project, General Presentation Products Chain Drasticism, also for P-Vine. The double CD includes one disc of the band performing live, and another of a range of DJ/producers remixing DCPRG tracks.

The live session shows the band chugging along in a groove that recalls the free-form electric jams of late '60s, Bitches Brew-era Miles Davis, while the remix disc reflects the cut 'n' paste, desktop computer deconstruction techniques of producers like Tatsuya Oe a.k.a. Captain Funk, who will also be on hand at Liquid Room.

As the strong turnout for last summer's two-day improvisational music festival the True People's Celebration indicated, there is a growing audience in Japan for this music. The scene taps into the unfortunately termed “jam band” movement and Japan's vibrant electronica/dance culture, while maintaining its roots in free jazz and experimental music.

With younger fans in mind, DCPRG have been playing all-night dance events, such as this Sunday's party at Liquid Room, which will offer a good opportunity to hear this take-no-prisoners musical steamroller over a sound system worthy of their scope and scale.
 
 
Finally got to listen to this.
This is great! Did not see this coming... Thought it was something else completely, some abstract avantgarde pieces but oh no.
 
Thanks again Adam!
Voted Yes for them on our chart.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2007 at 21:50
I just listened to "Call In Question" from Masayuki Takayanagi. Takayanagi seems ot be a bit of an icon Japanese guitarist, starting in Jazz and making his way into free improv. "Call In Question" is of the latter style, and is very good stuff! See the Mutant Sounds blog for more info if you're interested.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2007 at 03:45
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Finally got to listen to this.

This is great! Did not see this coming... Thought it was something else completely, some abstract avantgarde pieces but oh no.

Thanks again Adam!
Voted Yes for them on our chart.


No worries, for some reason I thought you had already heard the album. If not I would have fixed you up a long time ago. Most places seem to crown it has a Japanese Bitches Brew. Hopefully a few more votes and they will be here for good

Keep all the recommendations coming!
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