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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:10
Someone once said sentences like "God exists" and "God doesn't exist" are meaningless...

... and I suppose it all comes down to the awareness and curiosity with which you perceive everyday reality...

... no idea if this makes any sense here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:11
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Someone once said sentences like "God exists" and "God doesn't exist" are meaningless...

... and I suppose it all comes down to the awareness and curiosity with which you perceive everyday reality...

... no idea if this makes any sense here.


I know one thing for sure. Know one is going to change anyones mind here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:12
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Someone once said sentences like "God exists" and "God doesn't exist" are meaningless...

... and I suppose it all comes down to the awareness and curiosity with which you perceive everyday reality...

... no idea if this makes any sense here.


I know one thing for sure. Know one is going to change anyones mind here.
 
Nice pun. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:21
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Someone once said sentences like "God exists" and "God doesn't exist" are meaningless...

... and I suppose it all comes down to the awareness and curiosity with which you perceive everyday reality...

... no idea if this makes any sense here.


I know one thing for sure. Know one is going to change anyones mind here.
 
Nice pun. Tongue


Oh Ivan, I wish were true, but honesty compels me to admit that I made an error!Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:28
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:



Being atheist/agnostic shows a narrow minded and
down-to-earth state of mind
Down to earth maybe, narrow minded, no not true.

    

Well, indeed, it depends on how you define "god".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:44
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:



Being atheist/agnostic shows a narrow minded and
down-to-earth state of mind
Down to earth maybe, narrow minded, no, not true.

    

Well, indeed, it depends on how you define "god".


I define God as an idea, a primitive explanation for the universe existence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:46

...and what do you do with infinity, which is human's contrary?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 09:48
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


...and what do you do with infinity, which is human's contrary?


I don't understand your question. I do nothing with infinity. Why is it contrary to mumankind?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:15
All of our perceptions of the universe are ever-changing. Science has revealed a lot to us, but nothing's been settled. All we have is more questions, and an even smaller perception of our relavence in "The Big Picture." At least when science was waxing in the daily world, we felt a sense of collective one-ness (sp?). I think we're probably all a bit more restless and lonely now that we know (or at least think we know) that the universe is so much more than the Earth and the few miles above it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:29
How does God cope without a God to worship him/herself?  He must be incredibly lonely up there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:30
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

How does God cope without a God to worship him/herself?  He must be incredibly lonely up there.

    
uh dude Angels.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:31
In your perspective. Wink

But surely he has to worship someone?  Who created him, after all. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:32
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

In your perspective. But surely he has to worship someone?  Who created him, after all.

    
Well then who was that creator? This could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and you get the picture.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:36
This is an impossible concept to even logically discuss, I'm sure everyone can agree.
 
Talking about who created God when we don't even know if there is a God? Hmmm...
 
And taking into account the widely-held belief that God is omni-present/potent, who can say what his motives are or what made him?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:37
Of course.  The same applies for how the world was created even if there isn't a God.  The Big Bang and String theory is all well and good, but how did they form?

Admit it, either way, God would have to have been created, just like the pre-Big Bang Galaxies would have to have been.

We will never no either way what the truth is, but I can still believe that God doesn't exist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:39
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Of course.  The same applies for how the world was created even if there isn't a God.  The Big Bang and String theory is all well and good, but how did they form?Admit it, either way, God would have to have been created, just like the pre-Big Bang Galaxies would have to have been.We will never no either way what the truth is, but I can still believe that God doesn't exist.

    
And I can still believe that God exists. I would be a very strong atheist if I didn't have a strong faith. It's all because of C.S. Lewis's book Mere Christianity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:41
For me, I believe it's pointless to assert that it's impossible for a God to exist. Again going by the widely-held idea of God to be "not human" or on such a higher level of existence, it would be foolish to dismiss it completely. Sure, in the reality that surrounds our human life, it seems hard to logically accept, but our immediate human reality may not be close to the actual reality of existence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:41
Of course, I can accept that everyone has their own beliefs.

This is why this whole debate is a bit pointless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:45
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

For me, I believe it's pointless to assert that it's impossible for a God to exist. Again going by the widely-held idea of God to be "not human" or on such a higher level of existence, it would be foolish to dismiss it completely. Sure, in the reality that surrounds our human life, it seems hard to logically accept, but our immediate human reality may not be close to the actual reality of existence.


Well, for me, I'd have expected God to not be hiding and to have shown itself in whatever way it can.  There has been no proof of a God existing.

Of course, logically speaking, it's not impossible to think a God could exist, but without any proof, I will happily lean towards the view that there is no God of any description.

By the way, this isn't an anti-religion attitude, I do believe there was a martyr called Jesus (or maybe he had a different name), but he wasn't divine in the sense the Bible portrays him.  He was probably what I'd call a cleric of some sort.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2006 at 15:47
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Of course, I can accept that everyone has their own beliefs.This is why this whole debate is a bit pointless.

    I accept that too. Christians are tolerant but not overly tolerant. Yes that can happen.
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