Thanks for Iron Maiden - Megadeth

Iron Maiden have a lot more prog-connections than Megadeth, that's just silly.  I read the RUN TO THE HILLS band biography and Bruce Dickinson, and especially Steve Harris, were both very into the prog scene.  Harris names Foxtrot and Aqualung as big inspirations, and Dickinson is a big Deep Purple and Van Der Graaf Generator fan (a solo song has the lyric "H to He" and I wonder how many metalheads actually got that reference ).

If we like it, then it must be prog, right?

Sean Trane wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: The Miracle wrote: Yeah, let's add Megadeth, Sabbath, Metallica hell, let's let everyone in!   Number Of The Beast is in my top ten favorite albums ever but on this site I wouldn't give it more than 2 stars.   This is not Good Music Archives. If it was my decision I would keep it prog and get rid of prog related alltogether.     Proto and prog related were instituted at the behest of the site owners, it's what THEY want,and it's their site. It really doesn't get any simpler than that Ansen.     I think you'd better consider this as your opinion, because I can garantee you that it is less and less the case. Yes, they created those proto and related categories, but they did not foresee the misuse of those categories.   While I do not think the proto category is such a problem and I even think that IM being added to prog-related is wiser than progmetal, there are other trying to introduce Zep and Bowie. Can we get serious about this, please. And enough with with this easy way out to say it is the owner's wish to do so.   Some of these inclusions are not only upsetting some members and collabs, but also admins (at least in terms of the aggressive actions/reactions) and even owners.

It's not MY opinion.The owners wanted those categories here to make the site more inclusive,that's a FACT.

I was an outspoken critic of those categories when they were introduced,for the very reason you said in your post...misuse.I knew that would happen.


    

TheProgtologist wrote: Their addition here under Prog Related does not mean they are prog,and no one is saying they are prog.

But the name of this site is Prog Archives! This implies that if a band is included here then it's prog. To avoid this implication you should visibly separate proto-prog and prog related from the true prog content - separate listings, separate ratings and maybe even separate sites.

BTW, I don't know Iron Maiden so I don't comment on this particular case.
    
    

Edited by Tuzvihar - October 04 2006 at 15:32

Liquid Len wrote: MANDRAKEROOT wrote: "SOMEWHERE IN TIME" AND "/th SON OF A 7th SON" ARE ALONE A SYMPHONIC POWER METAL ALBUMS!!!   AND MEGADETH IS ALONE A BAY AREA TRASH METAL BAND!!! A more subjective post would be hard to imagine, in fact this post adds nothing at all to the debate!

Yes and then no. That is an extremely subjective post; you are right; however, I'd argue that it has to add something to the debate, seeing as how it marks the first post in nearly 2 pages that was remotely related to the original thread topic. The original post was not asking for discussion on the relevance of the prog-related category; whether IM belonged on the archives; whether we were observing a snowball effect that would lead to the inclusion of Metallica, Korn, Linkin Park, or Spinal tap; or or whether the proto-prog and prog-related categories have been/are being abused. It asked about the inclusion of Megadeth into the prog-related category.

Anyway, back on topic, I'd say no. Megadeth is a great band, and deserves every bit of credit that they get, but they aren't a progressive band. You could make a weak case for their inclusion by mentioning songs, such as Holy Wars/Punishment Due or Polaris; however, the vast majority of the band's material is composed of basic thrash metal - Really good thrash metal - but thrash metal nonetheless.

enteredwinter wrote: While Maiden often makes complex, long songs with synths, multiple-guitar harmony, etc. (thereby making them fit into prog-related and not prog, exactly where they are now) ... Megadeth doesn't do anything remotely prog, generally.

So you're saying that Megadeth don't have complex, long songs with complex harmony, rhythm changes, epic concept etc. ? Ok, they don't have synths. But who cares?

The real problem is that the inclusion of Iron Maiden lowered the standards for prog-related so much that the addition of Megadeth becomes relatively straightforward.

Iron Maiden long songs? How about Rime of the Ancient Mariner?

Uther wrote: Maybe the one and only one....enough to think  IM are prog

Not to mention Alexander the Great, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Sign of the Cross and a pretty sizeable portion of the tracks on their new album.  I'm sure there are more, but not really being a fan of their music I can't name them offhand.

Barla wrote: Oh, no ! It was a big surprise to see Iron Maiden on PA.   Iron Maiden is not Prog, IMO, but I say this: if they were added, so we've got a long list of bands to add here too (Metallica, Megadeth, Cradle Of Filth, etc etc etc etc) ...

Prog-related is NOT prog! Why is everyone so anal about this category. By putting iron maiden in prog related, no one is saying that they are a prog band! Yes, they did some prog things here and there. That's why they're related to progressive rock. Is anyone going to try to deny that they did some prog stuff with their music?...no? ok, then why are we having this discussion at all?

Queen -> not prog
The Beatles -> not prog
Peter Gabriel -> not prog
Kate Bush -> not prog
Phish -> not prog

All these bands are listed under prog-related. None of them are prog. So, why does everyone care so much that Iron Maiden is listed. I personally don't like them, but I'm tired of hearing hypocritical people bash one band's inclusion into prog-related simply because they don't like them. I understand that a LOT of people here like Iron Maiden, and it's nice that they get to review and discuss Maiden's albums. Stop being classification nazi's on such an open category like 'prog-related'.