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boo boo

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 01:31

Ofur wrote:

In a few months Elvis and the Sex Pistols will be on the archives.

Now you are just being dillusional.

Whats progressive is a subjective matter of opinion, all the bands on the archives could be progressive rock in someones own eyes.

Most of these bands you people make a big deal about being on the archives are still much more progressive than Dream Theater in a way, since they are making music thats actualy what could described as progressive.

Also i really hate it when people put such a strict label on different genres, its beginning to piss me off.

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avestin

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 01:44

In light of all the PA dissapointed members I want to help them overcome their grief by showing them something. This is a very good prog rock website. Let me give some examples.

You can discover here all kinds of bands from different genres and countries. Take for example these threads:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19836& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;FID=42 - French

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17840& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Spanish

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7256&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;PN=3 - Belgium (RIO/Avantgarde)

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19821& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Scandinavia

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18860& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;PN=2 - Prog Videos on the net

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19749& amp; amp; amp; amp;FID=3 - German Folk Prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20015& amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Russian prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20019& amp; amp; amp;PN=2 - Hungarian prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19927& amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Japanese prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19985& amp; amp; amp;KW=US+ US prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20104& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18490& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17371& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17066& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

A very good article on Belgian Chamber Prog scene By: Sean Trane

What more can you ask for?

You have wonderful collaborators and forum members that are willing to share their knowledge and experience with the rest, and some even send others song samples for others to listen to.

And you make a whole thread about Iron Butterfly being added, because you think they are not worthy? Relax, enjoy what this site has to offer you, take advantage of it. If you really wnat to change things and complain, write to the band admission team and explain to them you reasons for not including them, and don't make threads which I can assure you will arouse controversy, insults, bad feelings and eventually will be closed by Jody or Easy Livin'.

Have a good day!

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boo boo

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 01:47

Yeah, its pointless to prevent this site from growing because some purists and elitist snobs refuse to have it any other way.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 01:54

Because of this site Im getting to listen to stuff I missed listening to in my life, and new stuff that I haven't heard of before, but I find pleasing. Call it what you want, I like it.

mrgd

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 01:55

"THE EXAMINING BODY EXAMINED HER BODY" and she was found to be prog-related and thats good enough for me.Viva Progarchives!

Looking still the same after all these years...
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Chipiron

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 02:30

Atkingani wrote:

Today this site has 2.298 bands, of which 17 (including Iron Butterfly) are listed in the special subgenre of proto-prog (not really Prog), representing less than 1% of the total.

First, if one judge the entire site taking these less than 1% as an example I believe no justice is being made. Imagine someone calling all French people as right-wings or fascists because LePen received 15% of the votes. Is it fair?

Second, I still believe that the roots and the history of prog-rock shall be told and this site is probably the best place to do that. Can someone presently admit that the History of the Americas began the day they were 'discovered' by Columbus with the natives and other visitors being forgotten?

I ask you to think about these issues. Thanks.

Very well said...

I have discovered a lot of great bands thanks to PA and I don't care about the label. If one day many (.) years ago I hadn't bought a cheap Supertramp (Proto-commercial-Quasi-Almost-Prog) compilation, I wouldn't have even started with prog, so let others learn and find for themselves.

Take it easy and listen to the music.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 02:31

Besides, Elvis' Las Vegas haircut and costumes are "Proto-Prog" IMO ...

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:04

In a sense almost 70% of all bands from the 70's could some way or another fit into proto prog and the prog related classificationing.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 03:34

This thread has now been moved into the Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge ... where it can take its rightful place alongside threads complaining about Deep Purple, Triumph, The Beatles, etc

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 04:00

I|I|I|I|I wrote:

So, I noticed a lot of whining and complaining about all these bands in the archives that "aren't really prog".

Well, I've got a few things to say to all of you.

This is a prog-rock website. As an avid prog-rock listener, I like to hear music that is similar to prog. If I go to any other site, they're not going to say "Queen is related to prog" or "The Moody Blues" are some of the precursors of prog". Only Prog Archives actually specifies similarities to prog music. I like to have these prog-related or proto-prog bands on the site because ONLY HERE can I see their relation to prog music, and why I might want to check them out.

Also, it's not like Prog Archives is misleading site viewers. They specifically say that these bands are either prog-related or proto-prog, not progressive rock itself. If you really don't think these bands are prog music, why don't you stay out of the proto-prog/prog related sections of the site? You don't have to click the link.

And finally, don't you think it's a good thing to know about the roots of progressive music and bands influenced by progressive music? It's very enjoyable to listen to, and it does have a connection to progressive rock. So if you're really so aversed to having music on the site that isn't entirely progressive, just stay out of those sections and you're all set. But maybe ya'll could learn something about good music that can be and sometimes is progressive.

This was taken from another thread on this very forum

Ofur, you might want to read this three times, twist your tongue in your mouth seven times, think for a couple of minutes, before opening your trap anymore!!!!

And if you still don't like, though luck!!!!!!!!!

Proto-prog and prog related categories are here to stay and are bound to grow and even live their own lives

Some of the groups or albums included in those two genres are probably more progressive than your run-of-the-mill Porcupine Tree or Arena albums.

Edited by Sean Trane

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 04:06

The Beatles had a profound influence on all the young musicians who
went on to create prog, and probably continue to. I can think of no
progressive musician, nor musician of any other kind, who ever cited the
Iron Butterfly as an inspiration.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 04:38

First off, the only Iron Butterfly I own is In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
Second, the day I learned of the inclusion of the sub-genre "proto-prog" I thought of Iron Butterfly, it should've been done before The Beatles, thats for sure.
Iron Butterfly did have an influence on prog making them proto prog, no one should really argue that, argue the amount they influenced it is fine by me, but it was there.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 05:20

Sean Trane wrote:

This was taken from another thread on this very forum

Ofur, you might want to read this three times, twist your tongue in your mouth seven times, think for a couple of minutes, before opening your trap anymore!!!!

And if you still don't like, though luck!!!!!!!!!

Proto-prog and prog related categories are here to stay and are bound to grow and even live their own lives

Some of the groups or albums included in those two genres are probably more progressive than your run-of-the-mill Porcupine Tree or Arena albums.

Great post, Sean!

After my previous incident with Sl1p3rry (or whatever is name is) I was reluctunt to get into anymore arguments and get threads closed, so I shut MY trap.

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Ofur

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:02

Let's face it, this site is engaged in massive revisionism of what constitutes prog.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:09

I am pleased with the Iron Butterfly addition because this band has more to do with the development of progressvie rock than the overrated The Beatles, this band was a media hype from the Sixties. Now let's wait for more justice like Jefferson Airplane, The Doors and Jeff Beck

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:14

Ofur wrote:

Let's face it, this site is engaged in massive revisionism of what constitutes prog.

Good, this is an open discussion forum, feel free to express your opinion whenever you like.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:21

Ofur wrote:

Let's face it, this site is engaged in massive revisionism of what constitutes prog.

Let's face it, this guy is engaged in massive cretinism of what constitutes prog

Just kidding

But what is your problem, are you more catholic than the pope ? Do you have the original prog bible in your hands and the instruction manual of interpretation of it?

or can you not understand that prog-related is related to prog , but not prog (actually i'd like to have ELO moved to art rock)

Is is so hard to understand that proto-prog are the roots of prog

Those are fairly simple and straightforward concepts and if you are anything of prog fans, this should've sunk in by now !!!!!!!

I will actually relisten to IB albums except In A Gadda Da Vida (just to make a point) and I will maybe review them, read up on my reviews to see if they are proto.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:43

People should complain when their favourite bands are not included on this site, not when a band whcih they do not consider prog is added. So what if a non-prog band is added ? Are you so narrow minded and limited by genres and titles ? Just dont click on the link to the bands you dont consider prog and that's it.

This site provides useful information about bands - discography, line ups, reviews, etc and the more bands it has and the more the people it helps, the better. So from now on, when a band which is not prog is added, just remember that other people may find it useful and stop being a narrow minded arse hole genre fanatic.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:43

IRON BUTTERFLy are an important role as a developer of Progressive Rock in the 1960s.

I am happy with their inclusion, Proto-Prog is the parent of Prog Rock IMO.

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Posted: March 15 2006 at 08:58

lordoflight wrote:

Not again.

Speaking of narrow-minded, you are telling people when they should complain and when they shouldn't. Did someone die and leave you boss?

If somebody doesn't agree with Iron Butterfly being added, or any other band for that matter, seems there's always someone who'll come on and label them narrow-minded.

Or, someone else comes on and says it must be hard to run a site like this, so you shouldn't disagree with anything.

If people want to disagree and state their opinion why is that such a big issue? Makes for interesting discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Just for the record, I'm not arguing one way or the other for IB's inclusion as I'm not familiar enough with their music.