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Fragile 
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 Posted: March 28 2006 at 18:18 |
These comparisons are too close to call; Johnstone or Best.Pele or Maradonna,Keane or Viera,Wakeman or Emerson Possibly Wakeman but only just.As for the others Johnstone,Pele and Keano.
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moodyxadi
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 18:53 |
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No, not again Wake vs Emerson. Well, Tony Pagliuca. The Reason? I like him.
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Fragile
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 18:55 |
Good for you Moody
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 00:17 |
Hugh Banton and Kerry Minnear are my two favorite, the former not for speed and technicalities, but for raw power, and the latter for the technicalities 
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Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams;
Mind and machinery box-press our dreams
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FragileDT
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 00:40 |
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I like Emerson more than Wakeman. It's all a matter of opinion.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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richardh
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 01:51 |
 FragileDT wrote:
I like Emerson more than Wakeman. It's all a matter of opinion. |
and truth
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G_Bone
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 03:01 |
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i dont no technically who is the best prog keyboardist, if its
even one of those two (although they're definately at the top).
But Emerson is probably my favourite, he along with Jon Lord are
my two favourite keyboardists/organists (whatever) just because of
the kidn of crazy sounding music they created that I really love.
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Pafnutij
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 04:26 |
The Nocenzi bros
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 04:46 |
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Sorry, but speaking as a keyboardist, Wakeman can't hold a candle to
Emerson, neither in terms of technique nor originality. Emerson was
working with synths directly with Robert Moog, and actively involved with
not only creating new sounds, but Moog redesigned the machines based
on his needs. Emerson was a true pioneer in this regard, and all synth
players owe him a debt. Wakeman's sounds, on the other hand, were
standard factory sounds, if you walked into a music shop in the 70s and
turned on a Mini-Moog, it sounded like Wakeman. In terms of his playing,
he had nowhere near the breadth of Emerson's abilities in jazz & classical,
to say nothing of rock and blues.
In short, it's not merely a matter of opinion which is better. If you
prefer Wakeman's style and sensibilities, that's a matter of taste, but Keith
is a superior player and historically more important, objectively speaking.
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kev2307
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 06:06 |
lets all be grown up about this and keep those 2nd spot players out of the equation (for example Tony Banks) - good keyboard player but limited to been a group member (seen him live and listened to his solo stuff)
EMO or Rick - This is too close to call - I even had arguments with my Music Teacher in the 70's about who was better - Mozart/Beethoven or EMO/Rick. Why because they are all talent. The question is if you love the sound, composition and technical skills. EMO and Rick blow the field away and always have. Solo stuff wise I prefer Rick, but some of the stuff is really bad. EMO - just needs to do more then I may change my opinion.
I have seen both in recent years and they have a totally different approach to a show.
EMO is a rocker and thats the show you receive. His band is excellent, but he doesnt say alot. But you dont always have too. Great show though.
Rick is an all round entertainer:
Solo Shows are a great combination of tales and music
Group shows - he does have a good band and when he comes forward with the WAND its electric. Blew me away in Leicester a few years back when he did 6 wives on the church organ. A sight to see.
Yes Shows - ever time I see him with Yes i note he seems to take a back seat.
Musically I love them both and they have classics which just blow me away. The best - a dead heat. But to get to know - well Rick and I have had quite a few conversations and he is very approachable, he even gave us permission to use his music at our wedding. But he does tend to put himself out there more. EMO - I really wish he would make more effort and reward his fans with more tours and new music.
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Rosescar
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 07:40 |
RoyalJelly wrote:
Wakeman's sounds, on the other hand, were
standard factory sounds, if you walked into a music shop in the 70s and
turned on a Mini-Moog, it sounded like Wakeman. |
I read in an interview here that he actually created/edited all his keyboard sounds
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My music!
"THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp
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Phil
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:01 |
See Royal jelly is Wakeman bashing again!! Not the first time, won't be the last... 
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Peter
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:25 |
Emerson? Wakeman? 
Ha! I fart in their general direction! Those wannabes are mere tinkling dilettantes compared to this under-appreciated prodigy, who had the amazing ability to make a simple toy piano sound like a grand piano, or even a Hammond organ:
 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:33 |
Phil wrote:
See Royal jelly is Wakeman bashing again!! Not the first time,
won't be the last... |
Where was the Wakeman bashing? All I wrote was that he was not as
innovative or technically skilled as Emerson, which actually few were. That's
in no way denying Wakeman's many great moments. If you compare anyone
to a giant, they're bound to look rather small...that's a far cry from "bashing"
as one knows it on this site (references to McLaughlin as a "pathetic wanna-
be shredder" come to mind, or Fripp being untalented and "out of tune",
etc.).
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:09 |
I will vote for none of them, my vote goes by far to Vittorio Nocenzi, his style is not only absolutely perfect in piano Organ and any other keyboard instrument He graduated with honors in The Santa Cecilis Conservatory in:
Pianoforte con la Prof.ssa A. Montefiori e poi al Conservatorio di S.Cecilia di Roma (PIano)
Clarinetto con il Maestro E. Ugolini (Clarinette)
Organo da chiesa con D.Lino Guillon (Church Organ)
Armonia con il Maestro S. Tamburini (Harmony)
Etnomusicologia con il Prof. D. Carpitella (Ethno Musicology)
Storia e Filosofia presso l’Universitŕ "La Sapienza" di Roma (And if that's not enough History and Philosophy)
The guy is more than just a genius, he has recahed perfection, try Darwin! by Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and you'll find.
And second place for Patrick Moraz reached he highest degrees in Laussana Coonservatory in Piano and Music, the difference of style and skills can be noticed clearly in Relayer, but best if you got Live at QPR, his solo would make Wakeman feel embarrased in Yessongs.
Wak3eman and Emerson can be much more popular and probably better composers, but in skills, they can't start with this guys. Some may believe I give too much value to formal education, maybe, but reaching excellence in a place where all the other students are absolutely talented, means a lot, and after listening them play, well there's no doubt on my mind.
But again it's only an opinion.
Iván
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rushfan6588
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:53 |
He is rarely mentioned as a keyboard player, but revered as being an excellent guitar player, KERRY
LIVGREN. He is the true mastermind behind Kansas and i failed to realize this until i purchased the
"Sail On" 30th aniversary package. He played almost ALL of kansas's best licks (not saying that walsh
isnt capable). Livgren definately deserves mantion.
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richardh
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 13:33 |
Peter wrote:
Emerson? Wakeman?
Ha! I fart in their general direction! Those wannabes are mere tinkling dilettantes compared to this under-appreciated prodigy, who had the amazing ability to make a simple toy piano sound like a grand piano, or even a Hammond organ:
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TheLamb
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 14:19 |
Mmm... Emerson, Banks and Wakeman are great keyboardists.... None of them come close to the virtuoso talents of Classical and Jazz.... So they are all pretty much the same in my eyes.... They have some brilliant minds though, thats what makes them special, not their virtuosity... Because of this I think Tony Banks has some slight advantage over both Emerson and Wakeman.... but only a bit...
Speaking as a pianist, I can tell you that speed is much easier to aquire in the world of keyboards than one might think. Therfore, I am almost never impressed with keyboardists who play quickly, unless they are real freaks of technique.... I'm far more impressed with the skills of Prog Keyboardists as composers (ussualy responsible for most of their band's harmonies and melodies), than I am impressed with their skills as instrumentalists....
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Peter
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 23:26 |
And what about the great:
TERRY JONES
I'd like to see those nancy-boys Wakeman, Emerson or Banks try playing an electic organ (unplugged, yet!) on the chilly, wild and windy Scottish moors, while naked but for a collar and tie!
And can either of those panty-waists play...
the MOUSE ORGAN?
I DON'T FREAKIN' THINK SO!
Credit where it's due folks -- credit where it's due!
Edited by Peter
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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ken4musiq
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 01:14 |
richardh wrote:
Vi0LaToR wrote:
a lot of people vote keith emerson for the best keyboardist....WRONG!!! the best keyboardist is rick wakeman, why? well he has solo albums better than keith (journey to the centre of the earth, the six wives of henry VIII...) better creation on a band(yes!).maybe keith emerson is good making quick and fool melodies in amazings songs with ELP,like a showman. |
Historically (1970-1975) I strongly disagree.Emerson was a better all round player and did a lot more for the development of the keyboard in prog/rock than Wakeman ever did.Rick is a great personality and made one great solo album 'Six Wives' but Yes have survived quite happily over the years without him.In truth Yes never missed him.On the other hand ELP without Emerson would be nothing.
HOWEVER Wakeman's latest album Retro is superb.Quite the best thing Rick has done for 30 years and way ahead of anything Emerson has mustered since 1977's Works album.
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I think there is something to be said for Wakeman's style blending better with a full orchestra. That being said, Emerson's accomplishment on Pirates to integrate the orchestra and his style was quite superb.
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