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pero
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Posted: November 28 2005 at 08:59 |
Styx prog related
They are pompous and pop related like ELO and Saga
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 17:27 |
I remember liking Saga long ago.
Pompous? Sorry, but half the bands we talk about in this forum are pretty pompous...in fact, that might be a prime ingredient of prog! And I don't mean that in a bad way.
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kirklott
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 17:54 |
Well if Asia's on this site, then Styx should be too.
I think "prog-related" is a reasonable category. Of course, I'm talking about anything up to and including Pieces of Eight. It was all downhill power ballads from there on out.
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Flip_Stone
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Posted: November 29 2005 at 18:38 |
There are songs on Styx, Styx II, The Serpent is Rising, Man of Miracles, and Equinox that are undeniably progressive. Maybe they did go downhill and get poppy and popular (like Genesis), but that's no reason to slam them and act like they've never been progressive.
I guess "ignorance is bliss" for those who just like to attack bands that they aren't really familiar with.
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 20:01 |
I am familiar with Styx.........but deafness is obvious for those who include them on here.
As for prog related what fool thought of this category? why not prog related but 3 cousins removed on the mothers side?
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John Gargo
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 20:28 |
This thread is a f**king JOKE and the person who started it is a pompous ass, certainly more pompous than he claims Styx to be, which is pretty ironic and pathetic at the same time.
Styx is a GREAT band and YES, they are prog related. Anyone who has listened to their albums and can't hear the prog influenced (particularly the early albums) needs to get their hearing checked.
This thread just inspired me to pull out my copy of THE GRAND ILLUSION and give that awesome album a spin! Awesome band, awesome music, but it's a shame people here can't just leave this band alone... I guess they're simply jealous since for all intents and purposes Styx have had a successful career while other more traditional progressive rock bands are obscure. Well, that's what happens when you write catchy QUALITY pop songs. And yes, pop and prog can coexist. Very much like Supertramp straddled the line between art rock and pop, so have Styx. Both bands are great.
Next thing you'll know, some pretentious ass from England is going to claim that Kansas and every single other American prog act is worthless. Way to give prog fans a bad name fellas!
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 21:35 |
dream_orchestra wrote:
I don't always pay attention to who has
been added to prog archives, some make me mad others i can only shake
my head at....but Styx? Now i can't stop laughing, i'm laughing so hard
and loud that i expect an ASBO any minute now. I can't control myself,
i've never pissed myself laughing, but i have now. I need to get a
catheter, this is so funny.
Why are Styx prog?. I use to have most of their albums, and i'm
still waiting to hear prog (see Kate Bush also), typical North American
middle of the road band, aiming at every audience, but prog.
This is my view, and i stand by it, there is so much crap that
people are sticking in here as prog, that there rae probably only about
30 bands in the whole music universe that need to be added in here,
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I had a friend who always said "Styx is for kids!"
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pero
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 03:17 |
Look to this guys and say that Styx is prog.
I was once 1982-1984 listening and singing their songs (and Queen also) but I'm ashame for that period
Sorry if I hurt someone, but for me they didn't pass the test of time
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 03:31 |
pero wrote:
Look to this guys and say that Styx is prog.
I was once 1982-1984 listening and singing their songs (and Queen also) but I'm ashame for that period
Sorry if I hurt someone, but for me they didn't pass the test of time
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If you base your opinion in a photo, then we start with the wrong foot
Fripp looks like a computer geek more than a Prog guitar player, Peter Gabriel looks like Sean Connery's brother today, Steve Hackett looked a a revolutionary student when young but all are prog icons.
And about STYX, their first two albums were very close to prog, and they always kept some progressive attitude.
Even if they weren't Prog' I'm not ashamed of liking their music, they made a hell of a rock band.
Iván
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 07:05 |
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 08:00 |
HOW GAY ARE STYX
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 11:25 |
Ranger wrote:
I'm never so direct, but his is the most stupid and offensive post I ever read.
I'm not gay, I been raised by a father who hates gay people in a very conservative sovciety as the Peruvian in the 70's where we had a Communist Military Government who banned long hair and Rock saying it was Yankee evil that turned the kids into gays
When a kid I was homophobic, I accept I was one of those cowards who made the life of the gay kids impossible, we took their lunch boixes, closed them in their lockers etc.
But when I was 12 or 13 I discovered gay people wasn't bad (Despite my dad's opinion), as a fact one of my closest friends from school was gay (He died in New York because of AIDS), and really felt ashamed of what we had done to this poor kids only because they didn't liked to play soccer.
But not even when I wasa child wasn't able to accept that art makes no distinctions between sexual preferences, some of the best artists were gay, probably they are more incontact that us normal strauight guys, because they are not ashamed to embrace art despite the prejudices that we feel against some forms of art.
Freddie Mercury was gay, but he probably was the most charismatic frontman ever and one of the most talented plus he had a wonderful voice.
As a fact:
Tommy Shaw is married, he's closer to be a redneck than gay (He was born in Montgomery Alabama), the redneck ithing is a joke.
Dennis De Young is happily married with the same woman for whom he wrote the cheesie song Babe almost 30 years ago.
JY: Well, he's a lunatic but not gay either
John Panoozzo was not gay, sadly he died before STYX released Return o Paradise
Chuck Panozzo is gay, he's bravely fighting against AIDS and he deserves a lot of respect because he was brave enough to accept his sexual preference when he was already famous and when being gay was harder than today.
Just to end, Who told you that there's gay or straight music??????
Iván
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 13:07 |
dream_orchestra wrote:
I'm glad someone gets my humour, most seem dead from the ears down in this place.
But, generally i have a valid point to make (IMO).
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Ahh,Afghan humour ??
Mua hahaha.
Now I get it.That was hilarious.
I'm pissing myself here,somebody stop me.
Edited by gr8dane
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Posted: December 02 2005 at 18:12 |
Will you lot pick up the dummy you spat out....what a bunch of weans..........Styx ain't prog.
If it is a f*****g joke, don't add a reply, but yes i forget North American bands on here are exempt from criticism, at least that is what it seems like, so go on pick up your dummies and get on with it. Other people in the world are allowed an opinion.
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 14:50 |
dream_orchestra wrote:
Will you lot pick up the dummy you spat out....what a bunch of weans..........Styx ain't prog.
If it is a f*****g joke, don't add a reply, but yes i forget North American bands on here are exempt from criticism, at least that is what it seems like, so go on pick up your dummies and get on with it. Other people in the world are allowed an opinion.
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As they said,it's prog related.
Why don't you enlighten us with which Styx albums you have actually heard.
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:02 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Prog Related
Prog Related definition Rock
and Pop Bands and Artists after 1970 who were not truly “prog” (as that
term is generally and broadly defined, even by the site), but who were
clearly not “mainstream” or simply “rock” bands.
A wide subgenre
that encompasses two kinds of bands/artist, that either consist of
progressive artist that strayed away from their progressive roots into
mainstream rock or were influenced by progressive rock.
Even
though the music by these artists is sometimes unrelated it had things
in common with prog music in that it was very structured and even
adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong
melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material.
Sometimes these artists pioneered other rock genres.
Though
most of these artist can't really be considered progressive themselves,
their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated.
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Maybe some of the problems that some people have with the
'prog-related' subgenre is that it is applied capriciously. I
mean come on (feels a rant coming on)... ELO... for some a pure prog
band, for some not pure prog. Yet not being even considered
Prog-related. HAH!!!!
(sorry for getting off-topic there )
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:09 |
This is a personal oppinion, but I certainly think that parts of Equinox, Crystal Ball & Grand Illusion have proggish elements to them, and deserve to be in an 'Art Rock' section, along with bands like Saga and the more recent ACT, which people rightly rave about....
...I've always enjoyed stuff like 'Suite Madame Blue', 'Man In The Wilderness' and 'Castle Walls'...if you've never heard these tracks, then do yourself a favour and try them out and make your own judgement whether they have a place in the archives, before ridiculing the band out of hand...
there...that's got that off my chest...
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:12 |
dream_orchestra wrote:
Will you lot pick up the dummy you spat out....what a bunch of weans..........Styx ain't prog.
If it is a f*****g joke, don't add a reply, but yes i forget North American bands on here are exempt from criticism, at least that is what it seems like, so go on pick up your dummies and get on with it. Other people in the world are allowed an opinion. |
where in scotland are you from ? calm down
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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 15:13 |
pero wrote:
Styx prog related
They are pompous and pop related like ELO and Saga
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Saga aren't pop have you HEARD any Saga ?
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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