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^ A chimp without arms is even worse than one with arms and hammer(s), thnks for the nightmares
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A Farewell to Kings … one of my favorite albums every year. Genres and subgenres wax and wane but it never gets old.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

although Hawkwind put out my favourite album by them in this year. Is it prog though? That would give Animals a run for its money.

Quark? Seriously??  Confused

I mean, it's alright, but not a patch on Mountain Grill, Warrior, or either of the above offerings in question. What do you find so exceptional about it?

I first heard it in the 80's and thought it sounded way ahead of its time and still do. I'm not a big Hawkwind fan, they just remind me of schooldays and Moorcock's voice blaring out from the common room because some bloody Hawkwind fan was hogging the turntable. Anyway it has a lot of clarity of musical ideas and Spirit Of The Age is pure genius. I like all of it though inc especially Damnation Alley, Days Of The Undergorund and the title track. I'm not a fan of Warrior personally , just don't get it. 
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Animals
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Animals, very easily.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I first heard it in the 80's and thought it sounded way ahead of its time and still do. I'm not a big Hawkwind fan, they just remind me of schooldays and Moorcock's voice blaring out from the common room because some bloody Hawkwind fan was hogging the turntable. Anyway it has a lot of clarity of musical ideas and Spirit Of The Age is pure genius. I like all of it though inc especially Damnation Alley, Days Of The Undergorund and the title track. I'm not a fan of Warrior personally , just don't get it. 

Thanks for your thoughts... I always felt both Amazing Sounds and Quark as solid, unexceptional offerings by a band unsure of what direction to take after Lemmy's departure and in an increasingly hostile music scene. Don't get me wrong, I do own both and spin them periodically, but the earlier stuff, up to Warrior tend to be my Hawkwind 'go-to' albums. Admittedly, there's nothing remotely as awful as Flying Doctor or Death Trap on there, but putting Quark on a similar artistic level to Animals would have been considered by some young chap who seems to have departed this forum as a 'hot take'?

Incidentally, here's my hot take, which I can't imagine anyone on here would agree with for a moment, but I think Dawn - Ocean - Silent Cries are as strong a three album run as DSOtM - WYWH - Animals

but as I say, that's just my view.... Smile 
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^ Ok, it's official, Quark Strangeness and Whatever is part of the thread as, let's say, "context"?
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^^ yes, sorry about that hi-jacking Eduardo; all I can say in my defence is..

it was Rich's fault, he led me astray! LOL    

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I like both, but I like Animals most.
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

^^ yes, sorry about that hi-jacking Eduardo; all I can say in my defence is..

it was Rich's fault, he led me astray! LOL    

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Don't be sorry, I was about to listen to the album now, good tip indeed.
But the instigator was Richard, no doubt
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I first heard it in the 80's and thought it sounded way ahead of its time and still do. I'm not a big Hawkwind fan, they just remind me of schooldays and Moorcock's voice blaring out from the common room because some bloody Hawkwind fan was hogging the turntable. Anyway it has a lot of clarity of musical ideas and Spirit Of The Age is pure genius. I like all of it though inc especially Damnation Alley, Days Of The Undergorund and the title track. I'm not a fan of Warrior personally , just don't get it. 

Thanks for your thoughts... I always felt both Amazing Sounds and Quark as solid, unexceptional offerings by a band unsure of what direction to take after Lemmy's departure and in an increasingly hostile music scene. Don't get me wrong, I do own both and spin them periodically, but the earlier stuff, up to Warrior tend to be my Hawkwind 'go-to' albums. Admittedly, there's nothing remotely as awful as Flying Doctor or Death Trap on there, but putting Quark on a similar artistic level to Animals would have been considered by some young chap who seems to have departed this forum as a 'hot take'?

Incidentally, here's my hot take, which I can't imagine anyone on here would agree with for a moment, but I think Dawn - Ocean - Silent Cries are as strong a three album run as DSOtM - WYWH - Animals

but as I say, that's just my view.... Smile 

I can't really add much re Hawkwind in truth. I don't own that much and can't say I enjoyed them much when I saw them live a few years back. It was just a never ending drone. Not my thing. I might be overrating Quark perhaps but I don't hear any weak tracks or filler and it all holds together very nicely. I can get ultra picky and too many 1977 releases are not quite as good as earlier albums when it comes to the established bands. Hawkwind at least saw the writing on the wall and were adapting perhaps.

Funnily enough I don't agree re Eloy, but you might have drawn me in with Colours - Planets-  Time To Turn maybe. However Eloy's strength was always maintaining a certain consistency rather than hitting great artistic highs. IMO
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I know that you (Richard) and Jared have significant differences in music interests to me (as well as confluences of taste which I tend to most enjoy focusing on with people), but I did not much "get" Hawkwind until recently. Now I know well and really like:
In Search of Space (1971)
Hall of the Mountain Grill (1974)
Warrior on the Edge of Time (1975)
Space Ritual (live) (1973)

I love this for instance:
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^^ I'm really heartened to read that Greg... Smile

the debut and Doremi also contain much to enjoy; for me, that was their golden phase.
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^ Whoever said you can't teach an old dog new tricks hadn't worked with the right old dogs. I taught my old dog to play dead... Unfortunately it stayed dead. :(

I'm sure I'll get around to those others as well ere long. Thanks Jared.
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Actually I don't always go for the most obvious 'proggy' stuff. In any case Hawkwind's album ratings on PA aren't that inspiring although Warrior sits highest for sure. Do I need to make an extra effort with them? Nope. I'll stick with something by them that is at least a bit different and not trying so hard to be 'prog'.Wink

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^ Many people consider the live album, Space Ritual, to be the masterpiece. But I think you might gravitate to the most/more structured of albums and less Krautrock-y sounding.

I don't get the feeling that Hawkwind is trying hard to be Prog (at least from the classic era stuff I know). I have got that feeling with quite a few bands, especially modern ones (cookie-cutter Prog, Prog influences too much on their sleeves, perhaps). Often I think a good band does not seek to make Prog or be Prog, but it's just open and more flexible with ideas and form which makes it somehow progressive.

I like the album. but I kind of got that feeling with Magma's KA and Magma when I saw it live. Like it's trying to please a Progressive Rock audience, lacks as much originality as I would like, and is quite by-numbers.

I took don't always go for the most obvious Proggy stuff and most of what I listen to is not even included in PA. I don't care that mush if something is Prog nor see Prog as some badge of quality. I do like progressive music often, but generic Prog can be a real turn off for me. Death to Prog! Long live art music. ;)

I have heard classic Hawkwind that I would have thought an ELP fan might like.

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I voted for "None".

Both albums do have some great moments ("A Farewell to Kings" and "Xanadu" for Rush, "Dogs" for Pink Floyd), but both are also flawed. From 1977, I'd take albums such as Going for the One, Fountains of Light, Black Noise, Point of Know Return, The Geese and The Ghost, I Robot, and Out of the Blue over both.


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I find I come back to the full album for Animals every once in a while still, while I'm not sure the last time I listened to anything off AFTK, if I did it was probably either Cygnus X-1 or Xanadu. I don't know if I even remember what else is on that album. When I was checking out Rush in my early prog days, I liked AFTK and 2112 quite a lot but I fell off either of them before learning to love them as much as my enduring prog favourites.
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