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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

We could alleviate much confusion just by adding an S to Prog.

Progs...

Like Dogs... Many sizes shapes and breeds. Ugly Dogs, stupid dogs, show worthy Dogs, My Husky even sings....

Still Dogs.

Seriously though... To say Prog Died in 79 is ridiculous. 

You are welcome!
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I think I can make an accurate prediction about WHEN Progs will die though... 2040.  Our Huge CD collections will be in thrift stores next to the whipped Cream LPs. So will our 'Larks Tongue' T-shirts. Cuz most of us won't be here.  Some poor kid will be digging through the 1.99 CDs and think to himself... Who the F@ck is Samla mammas Mama?

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This is such a troll thread

Original sounding prog bands that started post 1979

Cardiacs
Swans
This Heat
Vezhlivy Otkaz
Talk Talk
Radiohead
PoiL
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Thinking Plague
Upsilon Acrux
Electric Masada
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Samla Mammas Manna - the only Avant Prog band I actually like and sounding like no other band I know of. They've been around since the seventies but their most recent album came out in 2002. Smile
 I am taking about bands that came out after 1979. 

Hi,

In general, almost none of the new bands around 1979 and AFTER, were not, and mostly are not considered "progressive" and most of them fit in various definitions related to "progressive".

Progressive, NEVER DIED ... and you might consider that the arts, around the world NEVER DIE, and they continue on ... regardless of what specifically they are. Film didn't die in 1979. Literature didn't die in 1979. And music, certainly, did not die in 1979 ... although how they are defined these days, would not be anywhere near the original "progressive.

What died, specially in America, was that the FM radio stations had just about all of them been bought out by the Corporate Raiders ... for a grand rape that took away all the independent and the many bands that came up in the 10/12 years BEFORE 1979. 

As you can see, by the many articles and discussions, many of these bands are getting more affection and comments than they ever did, and the chances are that they are even selling more than before, since now, it is easier to get the stuff ... all through the 70's, we had to drive to LA to get "IMPORTS" for a lot of music and I will venture to state that we helped keep all that music alive ... and the sad thing, is that the real issue is that folks lost the place that they were hearing all the new things, that got replaced by "classic rock" ... that we refuse to take down and hurt the stations that are controlled by the richest companies around in the USA ... and they are ... let's say ... sacred cows ... no one is gonna do anything about it!

It bothers me someone shouting around that it died ... what dies was a lot of our ears, that gave up a lot of music, except the top 5 or 10 that managed to get really well known ... thus making it harder for the "new bands" to make a new road ... I can only hope that you wake up to the story of the arts ... since the 60's ... and how the media spent to much time trying to kill it (in America specially) ... but they failed ... the bands might not be famous now, but they are recognized in just about all the progressive music sites. 

Where have you been? Ears shut down, perhaps?
 Clap love your comment!!!!!! thanks!!!!!! well said!!!!! StarStarStarStar
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

This is such a troll thread

Original sounding prog bands that started post 1979

Cardiacs
Swans
This Heat
Vezhlivy Otkaz
Talk Talk
Radiohead
PoiL
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Thinking Plague
Upsilon Acrux
Electric Masada
 Talk Talk was a post punk/new wave alternative band. the same as Radiohead, is from todays standards! 
I know and I am fan of Thinking Plague. Fantastic band! I mentioned in a comment ealier as mentioned the drummer whom partipated in severals RIO bands.
The rest I have to check them out. 
I am listening & watching in YouTube now a band called PRESENT! a live performance in 2015. FANTASTIC!!.

Rock In Opposition festival in France.

Rock in Opposition 2015 at CapDécouverte - Maison de la ...


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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

 Talk Talk was a post punk/new wave alternative band. the same as Radiohead, is from todays standards! 
I know and I am fan of Thinking Plague. Fantastic band! I mentioned in a comment ealier as mentioned the drummer whom partipated in severals RIO bands.
The rest I have to check them out. 
I am listening watching in YouTube now a band called PRESENT! a live performance in 2015. FANTASTIC!!.

Rock In Opposition festival in France.

Rock in Opposition 2015 at CapDécouverte - Maison de la ...

I attended the last 9 RIO festivals in France and saw Present at least three times there, always excellent. Check out their most recent album released this year. The drummer I think you are referring to is Dave Kerman - Present, Thinking Plague, 5UU's, Aranis, Blast, etc.

Talk Talk & Radiohead started out as post punk/new wave but changed their sounds into something original and wholly their own. 
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Most music after the 70's was a mistake. We seemingly collectively decided that becoming masters of our instruments was lame and that playing power chords really loud and programming instruments on a computer was clearly a much better product. f**king nonsensical garbage
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

1979 was a far better year for all music genres worldwide than 1972 in terms of advancements in mixing and production imho.

you must be joking!!!! is that is the case why do you like prog? instead of post punk and alternative rock? the 80's was everything against the 70's!! except the Metal's scene that did quoted prog bands as influences. 
Are you any good at reading comprehension though? ;) I didn't say anything about the prog landscape or the overall musical genre trends being better in 1979 than 1972. I was solely talking about the technical aspect of sonic shaping. 1979 was IMO the pinnacle of analog production gear in terms of availability, innovation and competitiveness before the gradual switch to incorporating more and more brand spanking new digital tools throughout the coming decade.

this is what I mean by production gear:


Examples of my favorite produced albums from 1979 (all genres):
•Modry Efekt - Svet Hledacu
•The Buggles - The Age of Plastic
•Michel Normandeau - Jouer
•UK - Danger Money
•Triana - Una Historia
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Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Most music after the 70's was a mistake. We seemingly collectively decided that becoming masters of our instruments was lame and that playing power chords really loud and programming instruments on a computer was clearly a much better product. f**king nonsensical garbage
CryCry So true!!!!!
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by grosssover grosssover wrote:

This is hard topic for debate. if we consider prog music as dead from 1979 and onwards, then we are doomed. from every band after 1979, we can hear some of the influences from those great bands who are the true represents of the so called prog
What I mean by dead!!! is that prog rock genre not a music movement as it was late 60's until 1979. 
 Many musicians are embracing the music created but that is about it!!!

that is simply because musicians are more concerned about what will make them money and fill seats at shows rather than creating interesting music, because the average listener doesn't care about music like they did in the 60's and 70's. Radio is dead. Music stores are dead. Sam Ash just closed its doors, Guitar Center is next. People used to do side by side tests on stereos in audio stores for hours before making a decision when the general public cared about music. Stereo systems and speakers were incredibly powerful. Today the average person is more interested in spending $1000 on a bigger screen to watch TikTok. 
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Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Most music after the 70's was a mistake. We seemingly collectively decided that becoming masters of our instruments was lame and that playing power chords really loud and programming instruments on a computer was clearly a much better product. f**king nonsensical garbage
 After I was done with Prog! I moved on to Jazz!. ECM and such!!!


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Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by grosssover grosssover wrote:

This is hard topic for debate. if we consider prog music as dead from 1979 and onwards, then we are doomed. from every band after 1979, we can hear some of the influences from those great bands who are the true represents of the so called prog
What I mean by dead!!! is that prog rock genre not a music movement as it was late 60's until 1979. 
 Many musicians are embracing the music created but that is about it!!!

that is simply because musicians are more concerned about what will make them money and fill seats at shows rather than creating interesting music, because the average listener doesn't care about music like they did in the 60's and 70's. Radio is dead. Music stores are dead. Sam Ash just closed its doors, Guitar Center is next. People used to do side by side tests on stereos in audio stores for hours before making a decision when the general public cared about music. Stereo systems and speakers were incredibly powerful. Today the average person is more interested in spending $1000 on a bigger screen to watch TikTok. 
 well, vinyl is doing a huge come back!!! but I know exactly what you are talking about! 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

1979 was a far better year for all music genres worldwide than 1972 in terms of advancements in mixing and production imho.

you must be joking!!!! is that is the case why do you like prog? instead of post punk and alternative rock? the 80's was everything against the 70's!! except the Metal's scene that did quoted prog bands as influences. 
Are you any good at reading comprehension though? ;) I didn't say anything about the prog landscape or the overall musical genre trends being better in 1979 than 1972. I was solely talking about the technical aspect of sonic shaping. 1979 was IMO the pinnacle of analog production gear in terms of availability, innovation and competitiveness before the gradual switch to incorporating more and more brand spanking new digital tools throughout the coming decade.

this is what I mean by production gear:


Examples of my favorite produced albums from 1979 (all genres):
•Modry Efekt - Svet Hledacu
•The Buggles - The Age of Plastic
•Michel Normandeau - Jouer
•UK - Danger Money
•Triana - Una Historia

With all due respect, in my opinion it is precisely the technical progression that destroyed prog music and music in general. Limitation breeds creativity and there was creativity in spades amongst early prog, it's what separated itself from the ultra popular (and imo extremely good) pop rock of the time. Doing more with less, becoming masters of the limited machines available and getting everything possible out of it. Of course things had to progress eventually and change but it doesn't mean it has been 'for the better'. 
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by grosssover grosssover wrote:

This is hard topic for debate. if we consider prog music as dead from 1979 and onwards, then we are doomed. from every band after 1979, we can hear some of the influences from those great bands who are the true represents of the so called prog
What I mean by dead!!! is that prog rock genre not a music movement as it was late 60's until 1979. 
 Many musicians are embracing the music created but that is about it!!!

that is simply because musicians are more concerned about what will make them money and fill seats at shows rather than creating interesting music, because the average listener doesn't care about music like they did in the 60's and 70's. Radio is dead. Music stores are dead. Sam Ash just closed its doors, Guitar Center is next. People used to do side by side tests on stereos in audio stores for hours before making a decision when the general public cared about music. Stereo systems and speakers were incredibly powerful. Today the average person is more interested in spending $1000 on a bigger screen to watch TikTok. 
 well, vinyl is doing a huge come back!!! but I know exactly what you are talking about! 

Unfortunately, the recent vinyl comeback is just a way for millennial hipsters to feel different and superior to their ultra shallow and plastic peers. And can't forget the 15 Taylor Swift variants per release that get impulse bought by mindless drone consumers.  
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I think I can make an accurate prediction about WHEN Progs will die though... 2040.  Our Huge CD collections will be in thrift stores next to the whipped Cream LPs. So will our 'Larks Tongue' T-shirts. Cuz most of us won't be here.  Some poor kid will be digging through the 1.99 CDs and think to himself... Who the F@ck is Samla mammas Mama?

There will be plenty of younger prog fans such as myself waiting with bated breath... I hope that's not too morbid Wink
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Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

1979 was a far better year for all music genres worldwide than 1972 in terms of advancements in mixing and production imho.

you must be joking!!!! is that is the case why do you like prog? instead of post punk and alternative rock? the 80's was everything against the 70's!! except the Metal's scene that did quoted prog bands as influences. 
Are you any good at reading comprehension though? ;) I didn't say anything about the prog landscape or the overall musical genre trends being better in 1979 than 1972. I was solely talking about the technical aspect of sonic shaping. 1979 was IMO the pinnacle of analog production gear in terms of availability, innovation and competitiveness before the gradual switch to incorporating more and more brand spanking new digital tools throughout the coming decade.

this is what I mean by production gear:


Examples of my favorite produced albums from 1979 (all genres):
•Modry Efekt - Svet Hledacu
•The Buggles - The Age of Plastic
•Michel Normandeau - Jouer
•UK - Danger Money
•Triana - Una Historia


With all due respect, in my opinion it is precisely the technical progression that destroyed prog music and music in general. Limitation breeds creativity and there was creativity in spades amongst early prog, it's what separated itself from the ultra popular (and imo extremely good) pop rock of the time. Doing more with less, becoming masters of the limited machines available and getting everything possible out of it. Of course things had to progress eventually and change but it doesn't mean it has been 'for the better'. 
It's not as obvious imho. The 1979 recording technology actually, in addition to that "option paralysis" you've mentioned, also brought tons of incredible production techniques that encouraged producers to experiment even more, with bigger outboard rigs.

The real decline began with the advent of digital samples. But that's a different time period.
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Originally posted by DarksideofAbel DarksideofAbel wrote:

from 1979 to 2024 are 24 Years apart!!! 24 YEARS!!!! Prog only existed 9 years!!! 9 Years!!!! 

your arithmetic is not working. Evil Smile
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Ok. I am the one that started this controversial topic!!! in another post. 
It is very hard to actually to distinguish or notice a band after 1979 that is actually original. like I said also! the only bands that I might consider original and not even 100% are prog Metal bands like:
Meshuggah ( these guys are pretty original) .
Dream Theater is a band that are great musician mixing prog, fusion jazz and Thrash Metal, great sound they created, but what originality there are in  their songs? 
Porcupine Tree is a band that mixed in the early days a bit of krautrock (Tangerine Dream) Rush, Pink Floyd and King Crimson. Love the band what originality?
Riverside? Opeth?
Opeth mixed  Death Metal with jazz fusion, folk with prog very successfully and made great albums. is that been original? perhaps!!!
I can perhaps continue mentioning more bands but it will not anywhere?
The question is what band is actually creating a new brand (type) of prog? 
It is very hard when we had bands like: Yes, King Crimson, Gong, Magma, Frank Zappa, henry Cow, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, Univers Zero, Gentle Giant and Rush. These bands don't sound like each other! 
Please mention any bands after 1979 that are different from the 70's prog bands. 
Okay, so picture this: there are these rad progressive rock albums from the 80s that are just waiting for someone to give them a chance. They’re like hidden treasures that only a few lucky souls have stumbled upon. If more peeps took the time to explore beyond the mainstream hits of that era, they would totally discover a whole new world of mind-blowing music.
OMG, like, totally check out this rad example of the epic 1986 masterpiece by the UK band Edge! It’s, like, not even neo-prog style but still super obscure!


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Most music after the 70's was a mistake


What a ridiculous statement!🤣🤣🤣



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Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Most music after the 70's was a mistake. We seemingly collectively decided that becoming masters of our instruments was lame and that playing power chords really loud and programming instruments on a computer was clearly a much better product. f**king nonsensical garbage

Hi,

THAT was the commercial stand ... after the downfall of FM radio in America, and I would venture to say that many record companies went after all the fads, to ensure they made money ... and they succeeded, and ... we ... think that all of that stuff was worth while ... witness the many publications these days (USA Today and many others) continually doing articles on the fad bands ... to ensure they can get more money out of it!

I was "there" at the start, the middle and the continuing story ... I never gave up ... and it is embarrassing when we see a "progressive music/rock" fan disdain a period of music ... and continuously support the commercial standard that is today ... and not stay around for the new music.

I find it bizarre that anyone of us would think that folks lost their ability to play and create the art they created. That is the sign of a person that is not listening, or is stuck in a time warp ... and I like to say ... too much dope and not enough reality!
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by GoodDay GoodDay wrote:

Most music after the 70's was a mistake


What a ridiculous statement!🤣🤣🤣

It's certainly a drastic and extreme opinion, but in some ways, but not completely untrue.Stern Smile
I mean,  what has been done with music since incorporating electricity?Question

For 50 years +, electricity only served when playing back records and of course its recording itself and manufacturing the supports and equipments.

For decades; the only electric instruments were the electric guitars, mainly for blues and RnR (ok and Django)
However, in the mid-60's, when Jazz (Miles) and folk (Dylan) started integrating electricity, it was howled atAngry and considered heresyOuchDead. Soooo, electricity became the "norm" from 66 onwards, it was like the discovery of a whole new continent or planet.Star

In just over a decade, it seems like the whole new continent was explored and conquered, except for maybe a lost valley somewhere in the mountains that came to light in later decades.
 
Whatever came after that golden period was only rehashing : Little groundbreaking has really happened except going louder (extreme metals or hardcore punks) and more repetitive (techno stuff) and quicker (music defined by bpm >> beats/minutes)

Maybe music should find its next revolution (expand into infra and ultra sounds Clown), maybe


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