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David_D
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I've listened to the beginning of Dies Irae, and that was too "avantgardish" for me.
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Psychedelic Paul
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If you don't like Devil Doll's last spine-tingling album (my favourite) then it's best to avoid all of them, or they might give you nightmares.
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To be fair, Nick, due to our previous problems, my comment to your first post was too critical. Sorry about that. |
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Devil Doll clicked very easily for me and I listened to him for some time, but not something that I play a lot. RIO/Avant as a genre was something I avoided for many years. Or rather, didn’t work for me. One of the first albums that peaked my interest and I still love is Risk by Far Corner. It was a leap from my typical symphonic, but there were stuff that mde me keep coming back. It’s hard hitting and a wonderful album.
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David_D
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What I've already learned in this thread is that maybe not so many people as I've imagined listen to some music they find "challenging". As far it concerns me, I've done it for many years, or maybe more rightly speaking, I've listened to some music I didn't particularly like with the purpose to widen my horizon, and see if I could become more fond of it. Edited by David_D - August 16 2022 at 05:55 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Devil Doll are devilishly good, if you like that kind of thing. They make Dead Can Dance sound positively mainstream by comparison.
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David_D
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Actually, I wouldn't say that I've defined "avantgardish". I just use it in a certain, loose way, which can be seen in my list, and no, I have no intention about you others to define it. But I guess that my OP could be put better/more precisely.
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nick_h_nz
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I would say this is what you have inferred, rather than what you've learnt, and I would (once again) caution you in your inferences, as you do often seem to come to conclusions that were not intended by the original posters. Not to say I am right, or that you are wrong, but I have seen little to nothing that suggests that people do not listen to some music they find "challenging" so much that they either don't find much challenging, and/or what you might call "avantgardish" they don't find challenging at all. I think you would do well to disregard the notion of what is (or is not) challenging, as it really does not have much to do with what is (or is not) "avantgardish". Whether something is challenging has a lot to do with when someone encounters it. I have no doubt that a lot of the music I listen to these days, and don't find challenging at all, I would have found "particularly challenging" - perhaps even challenging enough that I might have given up - had I listened to it when I were younger, and had heard little that was outside the mainstream and conventional comfort zone. Nor have I have ever shirked from challenging music. But what challenged me when I was younger were sounds and styles like hip hop, ambient, industrial, funk, soul, and extreme metal - all styles somewhat adjacent to, or even part of, the mainstream. The avant garde (or "avantgardish") was not even in my sight - or perhaps, rather, my hearing. Remove the idea of challenging, and I think more people might be willing to discuss the "avantgardish" music they listen to. Although it will still be difficult for many, I suspect, simply because as a descriptor "avantgardish" seems even almost devoid of meaning or definition. While I appreciate this is because you would like to know what our own definitions are, it is hard to fit definitions to a made up word from someone else.
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Lewian
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I'm with some others saying that often what is normally referred to as "avantgarde" is less challenging to me than some stuff that many people seem to love at first sight. However it took me some time to get into Tangerine Dream - Zeit and Cpt. Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica, and I really love them now, so these would fit the bill. Faust (I and IV in particular) are another case of not much love at first listen, but growing later. As is well known, I am a big Art Zoyd fan, but they won me over from the very first minute I listened to their music. Their most challenging for me, still ultimately very good album is Champ Des Larmes (there's also "Pure Noise" which even for me is too out there in unlistenable territory). Metropolis and Phase V, although clearly good albums from the get-go, offer lots to discover at repeat listening.
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Those are 4 albums I thought about when originally posting on this subject.
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Ian
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Napalm Death - "Scum" it´s a very challenging record but i dont consider Avant Garde by any way. I agree with Lewian, in my case love at first earing Dün - Eros
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Psychedelic Paul
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JACULA:- One of my all-time favourite "avanti-gardi" prog bands from Italy.
1972: Jacula - Tardo Pede in Magiam Versus - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n40EBHi5zsYT5KyUTryGRRqfbGZKD0CPk 2001: Jacula - In Cauda Semper Stat Venenum - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_khRIH1RVORarDk0w2WEtRFO-V5oaeElN8 2011: Jacula - Pre Viam - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8O766bL3fSQQKqf4K5vnUrgPfk2qsm6E
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David_D
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You're more active in this thread than I imagined, Paul. Thanks
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Psychedelic Paul
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You're welcome! It helps that I can define my own idea of what is "Avant Prog" instead of keeping strictly to PA's definition. If you like the haunting sound of Jacula, then you may like Antonius Rex too, as they're both from the same Italian vineyard, so to speak.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Paul lives in an alternative univers where Magma aren't Zeuhl, Caravan aren't Canterbury, Amon Dull II aren't Krautrock and PFM aren't RPI.
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Ian
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Psychedelic Paul
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I couldn't possibly comment on Amon Dull II, Magma or PFM as I've never listened to those three bands, but since when have Caravan not been part of the Canterbury Scene when they're from the Canterbury area?
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- even I'm not sure, I agree. I'd like also to thank you, Ian, and praise you for your very constructive respond to my OP, even you, if any, might have questioned my use of "avantgardish". |
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They've been around so long, I'm surprised that they're not paleo-prog and neo-prog at the same time, sort of a poly-prog band.
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The avant-ish albums I really like aren’t so much the ones that are abstract as the ones that totally mess with your head.
Prime examples: My Life in the Bush of Ghosts Studio Tan Edit Peptide The League of Gentlemen |
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Btw, talking about contradictions....
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