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There may be some overlap between the genres here on PA (Jethro Tull qualifies as Eclectic, Harmoniums 5ième Saison meanders along the border of Symphonic and Folk, Jordsjø sounds folky at times etc.), but the Prog Folk policy is at least enigmatic, so I stick to the bands that are listed in this subgenre. 'Ere I go: 1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick 2. Carmen - Dancing on a Cold Wind 3. Horslips - The Book of Invasions 4. Tim Buckley - Lorca 5. Camelias Garden - You Have a Chance 6. Pentangle - Cruel Sister 7. Iona - The Book of Kells 8. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft 9. Clannad - Dúlamán X. North Sea Radio Orchestra - I a Moon Some folk albums which are not prog, or not listed as prog, I would like to mention because these are as good as the ones listed above: Nick Drake - Bryter Layter (and the other two as well) Planxty - Cold Blow and the Rainy Night Bothy Band - Out of the Wind, into the Sun Andy Irvine - Rainy Sundays ... Windy Dreams Laïs - Dorothea Edited by someone_else - March 14 2020 at 16:51 |
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So hard to put these in order.....and I restricted myself to one per band or solo artist, and have faves of some of these who have phenomenal solo recordings of band members. The numbering might differ depending on mood, but that's how it feels on a snainy day in Oregon.
1. The Pentangle ~ Cruel Sister 2. Pearls Before Swine ~ The Use of Ashes 3. Strawbs ~ Witchwood 4. Alan Stivell ~ Renaissance of the Celtic Harp 5. Jethro Tull ~ Thick As A Brick 6. The October Project ~ S/T 7. Dead Can Dance ~ Aion 8. Tim Buckley ~ Goodbye and Hello 9. Simon & Garfunkel ~ The Sounds of Silence 10.Offa Rex ~ The Queen of Hearts That being said, the also-rans for me would include music from Faun, Malicorne, The Incredible String Band, Charlie Cawood and, if they'd been available under the category, Fairport Convention and the US Kaleidoscope.
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great choices! Noticing Pearls Before Swine appearing on several lists, I would like to say that the main reason they don't quite make it for me is that one song about the Children that I not only dislike but feel it doesn't fit in with the album at all. Usually I turn a blind eye (deaf ear!) to glaring missteps but can't in this case. Question which Tom Rapp album should I hear next? Love that Mr Stivell's album is getting a lotof kudos as well
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good to see Clannad, Jan Dukes, North Sea Radio Orchestra, Horslips Question: Have you heard Moving Hearts? They were Christy Moore's next band after Planxty. Their s/t is on my list
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I really don't like not having album genre tagging (and multi tagging per albums). I'd say the first Harmonium album is Prog Folk, the second still is, but is more Symphonoic Prog, and the third is more Symphonic Prog still. If a Symph fan was looking for Prog folk recommendations, then Harmonium would be one to mention. And if a prog folk fan was looking for symph works too. I'm not saying you're silly for doing it this way, maybe that's the most economical way to check and create limitations, but it feels weird having primarily non-Prog Folk albums (say Thick as a Brick) and disallow primarily Prog Folk albums because of our limiting and flawed classification by act system (and even with that, acts sometimes get moved around). They do say that nomenclature is the bane of the archivist, but/and maybe boxing really is best left to the pugilists. "A nozh scrap anytime you say" (Alex DeLarge). I would place Jethro Tull in Eclectic if it were up to me, and I expect that many who said that he was the quintessential Prog folk artist aren't very into Prog Folk or know a wide variety of music from the category. That said, he does have a folk rock element in plenty of albums, including Thick as a Brick, and some of his albums do fit well (so I'm hardly saying it's senseless to include JT in Prog Folk). Again, I prefer labeling, and multi-labeling, by the album rather than by the artist. Edited by Logan - March 14 2020 at 17:26 |
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At the moment I can only say this:
1) Tim Buckley Starsailor (Lorca would be the second, but I can choose only one record) 2) Comus First Utterance 3) Tull Aqualung 4) Dave Cousins: Two Weeks Last Summer 5) Dead Can Dance Spleen 6) Strawbs: Grave New World My ranking of Prog Folk is in progress.
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I agree with you on that song as well, Ken. I think you mean "Tell Me Why." Although for me, there are a song or two from most that I could live without, most of his music and songwriting just speak to me. Least favourites for me are One Nation Underground, City of Gold and Familiar Songs [which I think was done without his knowledge at the time]) although there are individual songs even within One Nation and City of Gold that appeal to me. One part of my LP collection that has never left my hands, no matter how poor I got.
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For myself, choosing a Strawbs LP, was sort of inclusion of Dave Cousins magnificent "Two Weeks Last Summer," as well as The Pentangle standing for the many wonderful solo works of both Bert Jansch and John Renbourn. |
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Now ... that's far out ... someone that deserves to be in the list ... I really like the period of "The Unknown Soldier" and "Jugula +4", "Headquarters" and "One of these Days in England" ... incredibly great stuff and the lyrics? Yeah, rock music lyrics sometimes are just ... farts in the wind by comparison! And I guess that no one has heard MALICORNE ... ??
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oh yes I have heard Malicorne, but not enough I admit. There is a creepiness to their sound that I enjoy, especially on "Almanach", which would probably be in my top 50 or so
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actually I like "Tell me Why" quite well. The one I'm thinking of is called "God Save the Child". It sounds like the record company asked him to do it. Probably my fave is "Rocket Man". So so sad
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I'm not really interested in the designation PA makes regarding progressive folk, particularly since Fairport Convention, Pentangle and Steeley Span aren't included. Which is silly from the standpoint of the folk movement. So, I'll just amble through albums I think are progressive folk as well as being important in the evolution of folk in the late 60s and 70s. The apotheosis of the British Folk Rock movement. Certainly, one could point to other Tull acoustically-driven albums like Stand Up, Aqualung or Minstrel in the Gallery as somewhat folky, but in reality they offer various shorter acoustic songs drawn around hard rock tunes and epics like quiescent punctuation marks. With SFTW, you see Ian Anderson drawing particularly from the more sylvan aspects of British folklore and immersing the album in that ethos. There's the folk epic "Velvet Green" (which has more time changes than the first two Yes albums), the sea-chantey-meets-Bach interlude within the monstrous "Pibroch (Cap In Hand)", the wild fife of "The Whistler", the full-blown English myth of "Jack In The Green", and the the apt intro which divulges the kitchen prose and gutter rhymes which comprise the rest of the album. It also ushers in the triad of Tull albums that maintained that British folk rock feel. Plus, a front-line, gold and platinum band making British folk music was an acknowledgement and affirmation for the whole Brit-folk scene. 2) Fairport Convention - Liege & Lief From a progressive folk standpoint, Liege & Lief was as important to the British Folk genre as Bob Dylan going electric was to American folk, Fairport indeed had finally abandoned the Dylan songs dotting albums up to Unhalfbricking and switched full-scale to songs with wholly Old English themes (and in the process, sent other bands scrambling to the local libraries to find volumes of Child Ballads to plunder). The amazing thing about the album, and the skill employed by Richard Thompson, Sandy Denny, et al., is that the original songs on the album had the same feel and scale as the 16th century ballads like Tam Lin, Reynardine and Matty Groves. 3) Van Morrison - Astral Weeks Released in 1968, this is perhaps the first truly "progressive folk" album. The lyrics are poetry in motion, more refined than anything Dylan did, and four of the compositions are extended reflections of 7-10 minutes. Blues, folk, jazz, gypsy violins, harpsichords, string sections and Van the Man be-bopping about and stretching words into jazz notes make this an integral album. 4) Roy Harper - Stormcock "One Man Rock and Roll Band" is the apt definition of this album, save for the timely assistance of one S. Flavius Mercurius (Jimmy Page) and David Bedford with occasional organ and orchestration. It is an album that is quite rightly mentioned in the same breath as "progressive folk" because everything about it, the lyrics, the compositional structure and the song lengths are the basic definition of the genre. 5) Pentangle - Basket of Light Folk jazz, particularly as employed by the legendary acoustic guitar masters Bert Jansch and John Renbourn in crafting traditional songs into something else altogether, makes this a worthwhile listen to anyone who uses the word "progressive". I'd probably throw in their next album Cruel Sister as well with the incredible 18-minute version of Jack Orion. 6) Harmonium - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison Both a progressive and a concept album (Les Cinq Saisons, The Five Seasons, for the Quebecois-impaired), is just as remarkable for featuring the Ondes Martenot, which is a theremin on Hammond organ steroids. Lush and beautiful, as I am French-deficited they could be calling me a c*cksucking a**hole and I wouldn't care, it is just so transcendentally moving. 7) Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III What? Led Zeppelin? From a progressivity standpoint, Zeppelin ignored the monster-hit that was Led Zeppelin II/Whole Lotta Love and shocked fans and critics alike by doing whatever the hell they wanted on their next album; in this case eliminating psychedelia altogether, limiting their brand of hard rock to just a few songs, and opting instead for traditional blues, folk blues and folk rock, throwing on the occasional banjo lead, Middle-eastern inspired folk and crazy-ass drop CFCFAF tuning just for the hell of it. This was the template for the more folk and progressive offerings found on Zeppelin IV, Houses of the Holy and Physical Graffiti, and separated LZ from the run-of-the-mill Cream-like blues-rock bands of the time. They gave other blues-rock bands like Jethro Tull the impetus to break the mold and move their sound along. 8) Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark From a singer/songwriter standpoint, Joni Mitchell left everyone else in the dust in the first half of the 1970s. Court and Spark is the genesis of the more jazz-related offerings on Hissing of Summer Lawns and Hejira,except I think Joni maintained a more conversational folk attitude on this album. As a female artist, she proved one could write complex compositions with intricate lyrics and still sell albums, rather than just being a vacuous siren warbling vacant words over pop melodies. 9) John Martyn - Solid Air Solid Air (the title track an ode to Martyn's friend Nick Drake) is about as jazzy you can get and stay within the folk atmosphere. To describe the album, you basically mumble the words "jazzy-folk-blues-spacerock." It is that esoteric. One will never listen to "blues" again the same way after hearing John Martyn stretch old blues legend Skip James' "Devil Got My Woman" into whatever the hell "I'd Rather Be the Devil" turned out to be. Gender-bending till it done broke. 10) Comus - First Utterance It is the ultimately weird, savage, blood-thirsty cult prog album of all time. But the acoustic guitar work is ultimately cool and the singing of Bobbie Watson is ethereal. Hey, they were so weird that David Bowie in full Ziggy Stardust drag came out to watch them. Other not-prog folk albums with progressivity: Steeleye Span - Below the Salt / Parcel of Rogues Neutral Milk Hotel - In Aeroplane Over The Sea Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde / The Basement Tapes Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left The Decemberists - The Crane Wife / Hazards of Love Edited by The Dark Elf - March 14 2020 at 21:41 |
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Pentangle and Decemberists are both in prog folk on PA BTW
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"God Save the Child" is a favourite of mine, and I rather felt it fit well with various others on the list, else I wouldn't have included it in my recent "25 folk songs" poll. To each his or her own tastes. The Use of Ashes is a solid five star album for me. The whole album s magnificent. I might have gone for another, but including a representative from that album was a no-brainer for me. As for the discussion on the Pentangle, that is quintessential Prog Folk, and was an early one I got into from that category (starting with Basket of Light). I think I've played Cruel Sister the most of that band over the last couple of years. I love it. EDIT: By the way, I had rather expected Neutral Milk Hotel to be in PA. Looking back on an early discussion, it was at one time. Good stuff in or out of PA per my tastes. And of course Nick Drake's Five Leaves Left is one of my very favourite albums. It warms the cockles of my folkie heart to see this topic doing well, and such a lot of discussion. No music touches me in quite the same way that folk music can (progressive, folk-rock, or not). Edited by Logan - March 14 2020 at 22:37 |
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