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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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*Sad for Philly that Wentz was knocked out of the game that at minimum should have been a 15yd penalty. ANY player going down should not be hit like that.


Wentz wasn't down when he was hit and was hit by a shoulder, at that point he was effectively a running back so had given up QB protection. It's a bang bang play called correctly. You're alternative is to tackle like the Bills did (n't) with Deshaun Watson and give up 2 TD's.

I just read on ESPN about some of these calls......and this about Wentz, again it seems there are different views on the rules by different officiating crews.

"Third, was the hit legal? There are two possible calls Smith's crew could have made. It could have deemed it unnecessary roughness against a player who had given himself up, which is usually what quarterbacks who dive to the ground are judged to be doing. Smith's crew also could have considered whether Clowney had violated the "helmet rule," which prohibits players from lowering their helmet to initiate forcible contact against an opponent. Either one would have cost the Seahawks 15 yards.

As noted, the contact was certainly unnecessary. Wentz didn't dive to the ground; Seahawks Bradley McDougald grabbed his ankle and tackled him. But I question why Clowney wasn't penalized for violating the helmet rule. The only explanation I can consider is that Smith's crew didn't consider the contact "forcible." But it carried enough force to cause Wentz to suffer a concussion."
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Ok so now we are going to say any hit that causes a concussion is a penalty? Good luck officiating that. If Wentz was giving himself up he should have slid, instead he was falling forward after being tackled, this is not "giving yourself up". He didn't lower his head to hit him with the helmet, he hit him with his shoulder, helmet contact was incidental due to the head being near the shoulder.
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Ok so now we are going to say any hit that causes a concussion is a penalty? Good luck officiating that. If Wentz was giving himself up he should have slid, instead he was falling forward after being tackled, this is not "giving yourself up". He didn't lower his head to hit him with the helmet, he hit him with his shoulder, helmet contact was incidental due to the head being near the shoulder.
 

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Predictions for this weekend:

Texans
Patriots
Saints
Seahawks 

Only half your picks came home ... if you put money on it, you probably lost ... but this weekend's games were heck ... I think that the "parity" thing in the NFL is really taking its toll, and it is one way to mess up with the bets and the whole points thing ... it was a lost weekend for Las Vegas, I'm sure.
 

Clearly you don't generally follow these threads, as 2 out of 4 is pretty good for me. Tongue


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I've only seen one person get 3 out of 4, missed on Saints as did pretty much everyone, wiped out our survivor pool this week, I only got one out of 3 and that was because I picked the Seahawks with my heart instead of my head.

I'm kinda glad the Seahawks lost to the 49ers wk 17 now as they'd have hosted the Vikings if they'd beaten the 9ers. Though we'd now be away at 49ers this week versus going to Green Bay, & I prefer our chances in San Fran versus GB.

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I've only seen one person get 3 out of 4, missed on Saints as did pretty much everyone, wiped out our survivor pool this week, I only got one out of 3 and that was because I picked the Seahawks with my heart instead of my head.

I'm kinda glad the Seahawks lost to the 49ers wk 17 now as they'd have hosted the Vikings if they'd beaten the 9ers. Though we'd now be away at 49ers this week versus going to Green Bay, & I prefer our chances in San Fran versus GB.

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Idk...I think both the NFC games were easy picks. Obviously the saints one didn't work out, but I didn't have much faith in the eagles, mostly due to injuries and Wilson magic. The AFC was more wide open, as in my view the Texans/Bills game was a coin flip, and I'm certainly not surprised the titans won, but I certainly wasn't going to pick them. 

And yeah...I think if the seahawks make it to the championship game against the niners, we are in for a good game. I don't really see the Packers making it too much of a game. (Although, as we have seen I'm not good at predictions, so....)

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Also...if you drink your lucky beers, will the luck run out? Tongue

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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Also...if you drink your lucky beers, will the luck run out? Tongue

It get's mysteriously replenished by the magic beer fridge.

 

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ok so now we are going to say any hit that causes a concussion is a penalty? Good luck officiating that. If Wentz was giving himself up he should have slid, instead he was falling forward after being tackled, this is not "giving yourself up". He didn't lower his head to hit him with the helmet, he hit him with his shoulder, helmet contact was incidental due to the head being near the shoulder.

Well if you look at all the calls against a QB, this one would fit also. I think it should have been at minimum an Unnecessary Roughness call 15yd penalty. The concussion has nothing to do with it, those along with broken bones happen because of football contact.....The calls are meant to deter that kind of tackle. Any player going down is a defenseless player.
We know the rules are designed to protect a QB, not one (that I know of) hands to the face/head to a QB has caused a concussion by a D man. These hands are almost always a slight slap or push but nowhere near the force to cause a concussion yet those are always flagged.....Roughing call would have been appropriate.


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But as he was running he gets none of the QB protection
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But as he was running he gets none of the QB protection

I agree, nothing about this is because he is a QB, nor that he got a concussion. It's about the hit......Clearly it weighs on it was an ok non-targeting call, but I think it should have been at minimum roughing 15yd penalty. Since he was already being tackled around the ankles and going down, so another hit is meaningless by the D, since he would be down by contact, play over.....if the rules committee wants a safer game.
We have seen lesser roughing calls by someone being pushed too hard when out of bounds....
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I don't want to sound like I'm becoming obsessed by this (too late - right?) but an out of bounds hit is different as the play is already over, in the field of play he isn't down until he's down and then the play is over. We're seeing a current crop of QB's who are very tough to get the the ground, Deshaun Watson dragged three Bills into the endzone on Saturday & was still standing when two Bills hit him trying for a sack. Players need to keep playing until the whistle or the player is actually down. Wentz was down at best one when Clowney was one step away, you can't pull out of that.
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I don't want to sound like I'm becoming obsessed by this (too late - right?) but an out of bounds hit is different as the play is already over, in the field of play he isn't down until he's down and then the play is over. We're seeing a current crop of QB's who are very tough to get the the ground, Deshaun Watson dragged three Bills into the endzone on Saturday & was still standing when two Bills hit him trying for a sack. Players need to keep playing until the whistle or the player is actually down. Wentz was down at best one when Clowney was one step away, you can't pull out of that.

Neither do I ...... but watch it carefully as Clowney does not extend his arms as if to tackle him. Clowney's head hits the back of Wentz's head, his initial move was head first not arms first, why not just target Wentz's back? Clowney did not tackle Wentz.

If Wentz was standing up running there is no issue in continuing to hit/tackle him to bring him down......If it takes all 11 to bring him down so be it, as long as nobody hits the head. All that tells me is the NFL does not know how to tackle properly. And understand the concussion happened because of how Clowney landed on him.
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I don't want to pick all favorites...although I do think that's how it will go...with the possible exception of the seahawks. Nevertheless...
 
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Unreal, that one running back could steam roll New England like that ... wow ... a total wow ... and if he runs like that for 2 to 3 more games, I think many more teams will have problems with it ... at that moment I want to see Baltimore against Tennessee! I don't think it will happen, but sometimes you can't shut down a line and running back that are in an amazing zone of concentration and ability!

Yea, this was surprising to say the least. Beilchick is know for taking away what ever a team does best. For the Titans that would be stop derrick Henry from running the ball and make them beat you through the air, obviously  that didn't happen. 

I think that Belichick thought that his team would be able to score once or twice so that the Tennessee team sticking to the ground game and burning the clock would not be a good idea ... but it backfired in that the Patriots did not score, and the game got out of their hands by then!

BTW, I'm not picking this weekend at all ... it just smells like another crap shoot!


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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

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Only half your picks came home ... if you put money on it, you probably lost ... but this weekend's games were heck ... I think that the "parity" thing in the NFL is really taking its toll, and it is one way to mess up with the bets and the whole points thing ... it was a lost weekend for Las Vegas, I'm sure.
 

Clearly you don't generally follow these threads, as 2 out of 4 is pretty good for me. Tongue

Half full or Half empty?

I gave up betting a nickel on any of these games ... it's the same thing in basketball these days ... in the old days, you could rely on MJ, Magic, or Bird to bring you thru and you could play the balance of the points depending on them ... like you could choose LA in LA, but in all reality you want to take Boston and the points, because the Magic/Bird show never ends and it always ends just one basket short!

The NFL is getting to the point where their design is now showing that there is not as huge a difference between top and bottom as we thought ... and that makes it really difficult to choose a team, and bet on it ... and this year, as was clear yesterday, that team is the Titans ... but you gotta credit their defense ... they bottled up Jackson left and right, and by the time he decided to run it himself, it was too late! Coach was too slow in switching things around ... and in the NFL, that slow is at least 7 points now!

I would like to see 2 new teams in the SB ... it's more exciting when that happens because no one knows who the favorite should be, and the game is more interesting ... I don't want to see another shoot them up show with the same old guard ... know what I mean?
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