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I love Tangerine Dream, and never get tired of listening to their stuff from the 1970-1986/7 range.  I don't know if I could really pick a favorite album... but for now I'd say "Rubycon" and "Exit."  After Franke left the band, I think they went way downhill.  I'd go so far as to say that without Franke, it's just not TD.  But I can't mention TD without mentioning a few gems from the solo albums:  Froese's "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale," Schmoelling's "Wuivend Riet," and [I always had a soft spot for] Baumann's "Trans-Harmonic Nights."

For Edgar, my fave's Stuntman. I own everything Edgar recorded solo and released, even Dalinetopia. There really is no one else like him.

Peter's Romance '76 is awesome, too. His recent solo return Machines of Desires is superb. You should get it. 

While Chris was an integral part of the classic TD sound, his solo career has been unimpressive. I kept The London Concert and let go of everything else.

If you haven't heard Johannes' solo albums, Early Beginnings, Instant City and A Thousand Times, do so when possible. The guy outdoes himself again and again. Early Beginnings has some TD material on it, too.

And let's not close without dropping a mention for Michael Hoenig's two excellent solo albums Departure from the Northern Wasteland and Xcept One, which I consider indispensable!

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I'm a big fan of Vangelis, too - he was my entry point into electronic music, back in the 70's, with "Albedo 0.39."  I love that one and always will, but I also love "See You Later," "Heaven and Hell," "China," "Spiral," and "Beaubourg."

Add Blade Runner, Direct and Soil Festivities! 

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Jean-Michel Jarre - I don't like his stuff quite as well as other electronic music, but of all his I've heard, my favorites are "Equinoxe" and "En Attendant Cousteau."

Le Chants Magnetique aka Magnetic Fields is the one I stick with, followed by Oxygene 7-13, Equinoxe. and Rendez-Vous. But as with you, Jarre takes a backseat to the other EM titans I like.

Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

I love Klaus Schulze's stuff, my favorites being "Dig It," "Picture Music," and "Audentity."

Check out the first album by Rudiger Lorenz, titled Invisible Voices.

Timewind, Moondawn, and Mirage for me.  The much more recent album Shadowlands is also quite good.

Agreed on Stuntman, that's a great album.  I thought Pinnacles was good too, but haven't heard it in years.

I like Schmoelling's solo stuff too.  Wuivend Riet is my favorite, and I liked White Out too.  I also own Songs No Words on CD, but I thought it was a little thin.

Agreed also on your comment re: Franke's solo works.  I've often considered Froese/Franke like I consider McCartney/Lennon, Waters/Gilmour, Woolfson/Parsons, etc. - the sum is greater than the parts.
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started digging into Progressive Electronic just recently, only coupla years ago. After discovering and falling in love with both Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze classic albums, I gotta say this one is on par with those -



Also I found myself liking quite a lot of Ambient/Drone stuff, with this record being my all-time favourite from the genre -

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^I love that Hoenig album AND his OOP 1987 record titled Xcept One, which is vastly different but equally indispensable.
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Hi,

Michael Hoenig is a part of the original Berlin folks that helped develop the medium.

They are all "progressive" in the sense that they were experimenting and trying to find something within the electronics available. Some did, and some didn't. Some became better known and others didn't.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Michael Hoenig is a part of the original Berlin folks that helped develop the medium.

They are all "progressive" in the sense that they were experimenting and trying to find something within the electronics available. Some did, and some didn't. Some became better known and others didn't.
 

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Making my way through this massive box set. Anyone else get it?
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^ I decided just to get the 7 studio reissues with the bonus tracks . Cost me considerably less than half the price of the box set. Guess I'm just missing the DVD material. Is it that good?
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One question is: how EXPERIMENTAL electronic music would fit into Progressive Electronic?
 
I had an LP long ago in my youth, with a surrealistic drawn cover, containing experimental electronic music. It was so bizarre (both the music and the near-hideous but rather terrific cover art) that I eventually recycled it. Recently I tried to find out what the hell it was.
 
Remembering only 'Birch-something' of the artist name, I managed to find it from discogs.com: Reality Gates: Electronic Meditations by Steve Birchall.
 
 
 
 
The page includes the links for the tracks.
 
For a curiosity, would this kind of experimental electronic music pass for Progressive Electronic? (Vangelis's Beaubourg  is rather similar.) Me, I'm rather skeptical about it.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Making my way through this massive box set. Anyone else get it?


No, I've been buying a lot of newer TD albums, does it add much to the originals? I noticed the Tangents book said the group chose not to release Oedipus Tyrannus at the time as they weren't happy with it.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I decided just to get the 7 studio reissues with the bonus tracks . Cost me considerably less than half the price of the box set. Guess I'm just missing the DVD material. Is it that good?
 

I don't believe Oedipus Tyrannus is getting a separate issue. At the time I ordered the box (16 audio CDs, 2 Blu-ray discs, and a hardbound book), it all boiled down to $9 per disc, shipped. That's not counting the book. For me, that's even cheaper than buying the reissues separately. (Of course, ISOH is now commanding higher prices.)

Oedipus Tyrannus is a fine lost album; it sounds like a cross between Phaedra and Rubycon, of course, with a smidge of Stratosfear. And that can never be e bad thing!

It's just a great set to have, something of this size for that kind of money.
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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Making my way through this massive box set. Anyone else get it?


No, I've been buying a lot of newer TD albums, does it add much to the originals? I noticed the Tangents book said the group chose not to release Oedipus Tyrannus at the time as they weren't happy with it.
 

Here are the complete contents. 

Disc: 1
1. Phaedra
2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares
3. Moments of a Visionary
4. Sequent C
5. [Bonus Track] Phaedra (Steven Wilson 2018 Stereo Remix)
6. [Bonus Track] Sequent C (Steven Wilson 2018 Stereo Remix)

Disc: 2
1. 2nd Day (20.30)
2. Flute Organ Piece (10.58)
3. Phaedra Out-Take Version 2A (20.36)

Disc: 3
1. Phaedra Out-Take 1 (11.42)
2. Phaedra Out-Take 2B (5.42)
3. 2nd Side Piece 1 (13.05)
4. 2nd Side Piece 2 (9.18)
5. Organ Piece (5.48)

Disc: 4
1. The Victoria Palace Concert Part One

Disc: 5
1. The Victoria Palace Concert Part Two
2. The Victoria Palace Concert - Encore

Disc: 6
1. Overture (10.58)
2. Act 1 (16.42)
3. Act 2: Battle (10.05)
4. Act 2: Baroque (8.53)
5. Act 2: Zeus (5.39)
6. Act 3 (22.08)

Disc: 7
1. Introduction By John Peel
2. The Rainbow Concert Part One
3. The Rainbow Concert Part Two

Disc: 8
1. The Rainbow Concert Part Three
2. The Rainbow Concert Encore

Disc: 9
1. Rubycon Part One
2. Rubycon Part Two
3. [Bonus Track] Rubycon (Extended Introduction)

Disc: 10
1. The Royal Albert Hall Concert - Part One

Disc: 11
1. The Royal Albert Hall Concert - Part Two
2. The Royal Albert Hall Concert - Encore

Disc: 12
1. Ricochet Part One
2. Ricochet Part Two
3. [Bonus Track] Ricochet Part One (Steven Wilson 2018 Stereo Remix)
4. [Bonus Track] Ricochet Part Two (Steven Wilson 2018 Stereo Remix)

Disc: 13
1. Stratosfear
2. The Big Sleep in Search of Hades
3. 3Am at the Border of the Marsh from Okefenokee
4. Invisible Limits
5. [Bonus Track] Coventry Cathedral - the Original Film Soundtrack
6. [Bonus Track] Stratosfear (Single Edit) [Recorded at Coventry Cathedral - 4th October 1975, Previously Unreleased]
7. [Bonus Track] the Big Sleep in Search of Hades (Single Edit) [Recorded at Coventry Cathedral - 4th October 1975, Previously Unreleased]

Disc: 14
1. Cherokee Lane
2. Monolight
3. Cold Water Canyon
4. Desert Dream
5. [Bonus Track] Encore
6. [Bonus Track] Hobo March

Disc: 15
1. Bent Cold Sidewalk
2. Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender
3. Madrigal Meridian
4. [Bonus Track] Haunted Heights
5. [Bonus Track] Barryl Blue

Disc: 16
1. Force Majeure
2. Cloudburst Flight
3. Thru Metamorphic Rocks
4. [Bonus Track] Chimes and Chains

Disc: 17
1. Phaedra [Phaedra]
2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares [Phaedra]
3. Moments of a Visionary [Phaedra]
4. Sequent C [Phaedra]
5. Overture (10.58) [Oedipus Tyrannus - Recorded in July 1974]
6. Act 1 (16.42) [Oedipus Tyrannus - Recorded in July 1974]
7. Act 2: Battle (10.05) [Oedipus Tyrannus - Recorded in July 1974]
8. Act 2: Baroque (8.53) [Oedipus Tyrannus - Recorded in July 1974]
9. Act 2: Zeus (5.39) [Oedipus Tyrannus - Recorded in July 1974]
10. Act 3 (22.08) [Oedipus Tyrannus - Recorded in July 1974]

Disc: 18
1. Ricochet Part One [Ricochet]
2. Ricochet Part Two [Ricochet]
3. Tangerine Dream at Coventry Cathedral [Visual Content]
4. [BBC TV "Old Grey Whistle Test" - 3rd October 1976] Signale Aus Der Schwäbischen Strasse - Tangerine Dream Documentary & Performance (NDR / SFB TV Germany - 23rd May 1976)
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Making my way through this massive box set. Anyone else get it?

 

Hopefully I'll be getting this soon. 

It's massive and it's wonderful. All the unreleased stuff feels like it could have been released at some point, either as bonus tracks or separate releases. 
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Originally posted by Matti Matti wrote:

One question is: how EXPERIMENTAL electronic music would fit into Progressive Electronic?
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For a curiosity, would this kind of experimental electronic music pass for Progressive Electronic? (Vangelis's Beaubourg  is rather similar.) Me, I'm rather skeptical about it.

And this is where we're trying to separate two things ... sort of like the day that the original synthesizer became an "instrument" because of a keyboard, instead of some far out and weird noise making device that was difficult to control.

I can understand your question, however, I question the motive ... why are we now considering "Progressive Electronic" just another song, and not the EXPERIMENTAL material that it was for its first 20 or 30 years?

PHAEDRA, right after ATEM, was sort of a buildup into an orgasm, more or less. And it was something that we could relate to, that gave the synthesizer an identity (not to mention SEQUENCERS), that someone like W. CARLOS did not have. It was sort of like the noise before was not quite considered "music", and now, it has to.

I, personally, would like to remove the "progressive electronic" determination ... completely. I find it offensive, and prohibiting ... in the manner that all of a sudden you can not experiment, and create another BEAUBOURG, because it ain't music, and we don't like weird, abstract stuff, because it has no lyrics to tell us that it is about having sex after 3 drinks!

We have to be careful with the idea ... I think that we are trying to classify a COMPOSER as an idiot, because he can not do songs ... and all of a sudden an ARTEMIEV is stupid, because during his time, in RUSSIA, the three or four modules he had was all he and his friends could help him with and afford, and yet he created something extraordinary, and even showed it in a movie ... that was electrifying ... though I seriously doubt that many of us in this board will sit through it instead of one of the Marvel comic strip movies ... with all the "action", so you replace the one you are missing in your life? (... and the lousiest music for it as a soundtrack!)


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ I decided just to get the 7 studio reissues with the bonus tracks . Cost me considerably less than half the price of the box set. Guess I'm just missing the DVD material. Is it that good?

I can't afford it ... just like I could not KS's WORKS 1 and then WORKS 2 later ... both of which I deeply regret because there is some really far out and neat stuff in there ... and I like a lot of it, much of it even more than the regular KS material.

Saddest part was his friend (KM) telling me to f**k off when I requested that he make that stuff available in some form ... my guess is that they don't want to pay the hundreds of folks involved in it.

SAD ... there is some really beautiful stuff in there, and I can not have it ... I have to stay with the tube, until such a day as they remove it. 

I understand TD having to release things to make a decent living and add to their legacy ... redoing the early stuff is not the answer for me ... I was there at the time, and had a few of the bootlegs, and I heard how different and far out the stuff was, much of which NEVER EVER made it to an album! Some of the live stuff that has been released tried to make sure that the bootlegs did not take off or sell a whole lot more ... and it worked for the most part ... but now, we're back to the same issue ... no one knows how hard it was to play what they did, and how different it was on stage ... and how much it added to the experience, something that today, would not go over well at all ... when folks want hits and songs THEY KNOW, and ALREADY HAVE!
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mosh, I know it looks pricey but considering the contents (not to mention a book), the value is immense. There are three full concerts, and it also marks the first time an official TD release with Michael Hoenig — not a bootleg, not an unofficial or fan release — has been issued. 
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oh man.. even after all these years...what a sore spot of a question that is.  In fact still never have forgiven f**king Phillipe for demoting JMJ from Prog Electronic to the dustbins of hell..  I mean Prog Related ...  his reason..  who knows.. then again.. considering our history which wasn't flowers and roses...and that he knew I loved JMJ..... he probably did just to spite me.  
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Matti Matti wrote:


One question is: how EXPERIMENTAL electronic music would fit into Progressive Electronic?
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For a curiosity, would this kind of experimental electronic music pass for Progressive Electronic? (Vangelis's Beaubourg  is rather similar.) Me, I'm rather skeptical about it.


And this is where we're trying to separate two things ... sort of like the day that the original synthesizer became an "instrument" because of a keyboard, instead of some far out and weird noise making device that was difficult to control.

I can understand your question, however, I question the motive ... why are we now considering "Progressive Electronic" just another song, and not the EXPERIMENTAL material that it was for its first 20 or 30 years?

PHAEDRA, right after ATEM, was sort of a buildup into an orgasm, more or less. And it was something that we could relate to, that gave the synthesizer an identity (not to mention SEQUENCERS), that someone like W. CARLOS did not have. It was sort of like the noise before was not quite considered "music", and now, it has to.

I, personally, would like to remove the "progressive electronic" determination ... completely. I find it offensive, and prohibiting ... in the manner that all of a sudden you can not experiment, and create another BEAUBOURG, because it ain't music, and we don't like weird, abstract stuff, because it has no lyrics to tell us that it is about having sex after 3 drinks!

We have to be careful with the idea ... I think that we are trying to classify a COMPOSER as an idiot, because he can not do songs ... and all of a sudden an ARTEMIEV is stupid, because during his time, in RUSSIA, the three or four modules he had was all he and his friends could help him with and afford, and yet he created something extraordinary, and even showed it in a movie ... that was electrifying ... though I seriously doubt that many of us in this board will sit through it instead of one of the Marvel comic strip movies ... with all the "action", so you replace the one you are missing in your life? (... and the lousiest music for it as a soundtrack!)



Yeah, Tangerine Dream were very progressive in the field of rock music but from the viewpoint of the experimental electronic music produced by the “classical” community over the previous couple of decades could actually be considered a “dumbing down” and popularisation by reintroducing beats, repetition, older forms of melody and harmony.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh man.. even after all these years...what a sore spot of a question that is.  In fact still never have forgiven f**king Phillipe for demoting JMJ from Prog Electronic to the dustbins of hell..  I mean Prog Related ...  his reason..  who knows.. then again.. considering our history which wasn't flowers and roses...and that he knew I loved JMJ..... he probably did just to spite me.  
 

I just don't trust the classification at all. I mean Neuronium are classed as 'progressive electronic' yet I would struggle to think of any electronic band that is less 'progressive'. I do like them but more often than not use them as an aid to sleep as I do with say Thom Brennan.
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